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any idea where to watch full match replay of barca vs sevilla 8:0?

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I just read that there is a small possibility that patri is back to the NT maybe for the Olimpycs if they qualify, so Mapi is out for sure for the injury right? Even if she wanted

Neither of them should be allowed back after they fucked up the NT career of several colleagues, how they treated teammates after the 15 issue and then walked out on their teammates during the Oliva talks because they were sulking.

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I just read that there is a small possibility that patri is back to the NT maybe for the Olimpycs if they qualify, so Mapi is out for sure for the injury right? Even if she wanted

Neither of them should be allowed back after they fucked up the NT career of several colleagues, how they treated teammates after the 15 issue and then walked out on their teammates during the Oliva talks because they were sulking.

What was it again why they left the Oliva talks during camp? I already forgot why Patri and Mapi are still boycotting honestly. Like what changes exactly do they want? Do they want Monste gone?

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Asked on the intl thread but it's probably more appropriate here?

I just noticed Mapi only has the cats highlights on her ig and made me wonder whatever happened to the other cat? The black and white one? I think she only has Bagheera now.

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I just read that there is a small possibility that patri is back to the NT maybe for the Olimpycs if they qualify, so Mapi is out for sure for the injury right? Even if she wanted

Neither of them should be allowed back after they fucked up the NT career of several colleagues, how they treated teammates after the 15 issue and then walked out on their teammates during the Oliva talks because they were sulking.

What was it again why they left the Oliva talks during camp? I already forgot why Patri and Mapi are still boycotting honestly. Like what changes exactly do they want? Do they want Monste gone?

Because they are bitter about the fact that they made the wrong choice and missed out on a World Cup. They didn’t go to the World Cup because they thought that Spain would fail in the first knockout match like they always did, and they didn’t want the embarrassment of that. Beyond that nobody knows what specific changes they want because they have never said what they are, and they clearly didn’t trust their captains’ approach of achieving change from within.

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I just read that there is a small possibility that patri is back to the NT maybe for the Olimpycs if they qualify, so Mapi is out for sure for the injury right? Even if she wanted

Neither of them should be allowed back after they fucked up the NT career of several colleagues, how they treated teammates after the 15 issue and then walked out on their teammates during the Oliva talks because they were sulking.

What was it again why they left the Oliva talks during camp? I already forgot why Patri and Mapi are still boycotting honestly. Like what changes exactly do they want? Do they want Monste gone?

Because they are bitter about the fact that they made the wrong choice and missed out on a World Cup. They didn’t go to the World Cup because they thought that Spain would fail in the first knockout match like they always did, and they didn’t want the embarrassment of that. Beyond that nobody knows what specific changes they want because they have never said what they are, and they clearly didn’t trust their captains’ approach of achieving change from within.

Right, they never really specified what changes they still want do they? If I remember correctly they left camp with the reason being for their mental health or something and to some extent have already agreed to the changes the captains also agreed with during the talks. I don't really understand what they're still fighting for or it's just pride at this point?

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I just read that there is a small possibility that patri is back to the NT maybe for the Olimpycs if they qualify, so Mapi is out for sure for the injury right? Even if she wanted

Neither of them should be allowed back after they fucked up the NT career of several colleagues, how they treated teammates after the 15 issue and then walked out on their teammates during the Oliva talks because they were sulking.

What was it again why they left the Oliva talks during camp? I already forgot why Patri and Mapi are still boycotting honestly. Like what changes exactly do they want? Do they want Monste gone?

Because they are bitter about the fact that they made the wrong choice and missed out on a World Cup. They didn’t go to the World Cup because they thought that Spain would fail in the first knockout match like they always did, and they didn’t want the embarrassment of that. Beyond that nobody knows what specific changes they want because they have never said what they are, and they clearly didn’t trust their captains’ approach of achieving change from within.

Right, they never really specified what changes they still want do they? If I remember correctly they left camp with the reason being for their mental health or something and to some extent have already agreed to the changes the captains also agreed with during the talks. I don't really understand what they're still fighting for or it's just pride at this point?

It’s pride. Change is happening. Slowly, and badly in some cases, but if they are waiting for all of the changes to be made first, then they’ll be at retirement age by the time that happens.

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Neither of them should be allowed back after they fucked up the NT career of several colleagues, how they treated teammates after the 15 issue and then walked out on their teammates during the Oliva talks because they were sulking.

What was it again why they left the Oliva talks during camp? I already forgot why Patri and Mapi are still boycotting honestly. Like what changes exactly do they want? Do they want Monste gone?

Because they are bitter about the fact that they made the wrong choice and missed out on a World Cup. They didn’t go to the World Cup because they thought that Spain would fail in the first knockout match like they always did, and they didn’t want the embarrassment of that. Beyond that nobody knows what specific changes they want because they have never said what they are, and they clearly didn’t trust their captains’ approach of achieving change from within.

Right, they never really specified what changes they still want do they? If I remember correctly they left camp with the reason being for their mental health or something and to some extent have already agreed to the changes the captains also agreed with during the talks. I don't really understand what they're still fighting for or it's just pride at this point?

It’s pride. Change is happening. Slowly, and badly in some cases, but if they are waiting for all of the changes to be made first, then they’ll be at retirement age by the time that happens.

Exactly. I don't get why they can't understand that it's not like changes will happen in a snap of a finger. It will probably take years and I believe Alexia and the others understand that - that what they are doing is for the younger generations, not exactly for them since changes don't happen instantly, but there's already agreement that it will happen. Unfortunate that Pina is throwing away her NT career just cause she does what Patri decides.

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What was it again why they left the Oliva talks during camp? I already forgot why Patri and Mapi are still boycotting honestly. Like what changes exactly do they want? Do they want Monste gone?

Because they are bitter about the fact that they made the wrong choice and missed out on a World Cup. They didn’t go to the World Cup because they thought that Spain would fail in the first knockout match like they always did, and they didn’t want the embarrassment of that. Beyond that nobody knows what specific changes they want because they have never said what they are, and they clearly didn’t trust their captains’ approach of achieving change from within.

Right, they never really specified what changes they still want do they? If I remember correctly they left camp with the reason being for their mental health or something and to some extent have already agreed to the changes the captains also agreed with during the talks. I don't really understand what they're still fighting for or it's just pride at this point?

It’s pride. Change is happening. Slowly, and badly in some cases, but if they are waiting for all of the changes to be made first, then they’ll be at retirement age by the time that happens.

Exactly. I don't get why they can't understand that it's not like changes will happen in a snap of a finger. It will probably take years and I believe Alexia and the others understand that - that what they are doing is for the younger generations, not exactly for them since changes don't happen instantly, but there's already agreement that it will happen. Unfortunate that Pina is throwing away her NT career just cause she does what Patri decides.

Fully agree with this and I’ve been saying it all along. She allowed herself to be influenced by her older girlfriend. If Patri and Mapi ever decide that they want to go back, they will walk into the squad straight away. Pina won’t. She may end up without a senior NT career at all.

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I just read that there is a small possibility that patri is back to the NT maybe for the Olimpycs if they qualify, so Mapi is out for sure for the injury right? Even if she wanted

Neither of them should be allowed back after they fucked up the NT career of several colleagues, how they treated teammates after the 15 issue and then walked out on their teammates during the Oliva talks because they were sulking.

What was it again why they left the Oliva talks during camp? I already forgot why Patri and Mapi are still boycotting honestly. Like what changes exactly do they want? Do they want Monste gone?

Because they are bitter about the fact that they made the wrong choice and missed out on a World Cup. They didn’t go to the World Cup because they thought that Spain would fail in the first knockout match like they always did, and they didn’t want the embarrassment of that. Beyond that nobody knows what specific changes they want because they have never said what they are, and they clearly didn’t trust their captains’ approach of achieving change from within.

Nonsense. And pro-misogyny nonsense at that. Everyone knew that Spain had a chance of winning the World Cup. They put their principles above personal glory. They should be applauded for that, not attacked. What teams do you all support?

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I just read that there is a small possibility that patri is back to the NT maybe for the Olimpycs if they qualify, so Mapi is out for sure for the injury right? Even if she wanted

Neither of them should be allowed back after they fucked up the NT career of several colleagues, how they treated teammates after the 15 issue and then walked out on their teammates during the Oliva talks because they were sulking.

What was it again why they left the Oliva talks during camp? I already forgot why Patri and Mapi are still boycotting honestly. Like what changes exactly do they want? Do they want Monste gone?

Because they are bitter about the fact that they made the wrong choice and missed out on a World Cup. They didn’t go to the World Cup because they thought that Spain would fail in the first knockout match like they always did, and they didn’t want the embarrassment of that. Beyond that nobody knows what specific changes they want because they have never said what they are, and they clearly didn’t trust their captains’ approach of achieving change from within.

Nonsense. And pro-misogyny nonsense at that. Everyone knew that Spain had a chance of winning the World Cup. They put their principles above personal glory. They should be applauded for that, not attacked. What teams do you all support?

Okay. But please explain what is Patri and Mapi still boycotting about that hasn't been addressed already or agreed upon during the Oliva talks? The discussion above has been pretty clear that changes won't be instant but there's already plans towards them. Even Patri and Mapi mentioned when they walked out of the camp that they're content with what was discussed but they were just leaving due to mental health. They both already acknowledged the agreement that time. So what is still keeping them away until now?

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Neither of them should be allowed back after they fucked up the NT career of several colleagues, how they treated teammates after the 15 issue and then walked out on their teammates during the Oliva talks because they were sulking.

What was it again why they left the Oliva talks during camp? I already forgot why Patri and Mapi are still boycotting honestly. Like what changes exactly do they want? Do they want Monste gone?

Because they are bitter about the fact that they made the wrong choice and missed out on a World Cup. They didn’t go to the World Cup because they thought that Spain would fail in the first knockout match like they always did, and they didn’t want the embarrassment of that. Beyond that nobody knows what specific changes they want because they have never said what they are, and they clearly didn’t trust their captains’ approach of achieving change from within.

Nonsense. And pro-misogyny nonsense at that. Everyone knew that Spain had a chance of winning the World Cup. They put their principles above personal glory. They should be applauded for that, not attacked. What teams do you all support?

Okay. But please explain what is Patri and Mapi still boycotting about that hasn't been addressed already or agreed upon during the Oliva talks? The discussion above has been pretty clear that changes won't be instant but there's already plans towards them. Even Patri and Mapi mentioned when they walked out of the camp that they're content with what was discussed but they were just leaving due to mental health. They both already acknowledged the agreement that time. So what is still keeping them away until now?

DA. They let their teammates down in Oliva. The CSD asked the players to stay and play as an act of good faith to ratify the agreement, but they couldn’t even do that. Both Irene and Alexia said that they weren’t exactly comfortable but they stayed because they believed that it was needed to move forward and cement the agreement, and to protect the younger players.

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why Spain squad annocement is thursday? other country is today

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why Spain squad annocement is thursday? other country is today

Every country announces their squad when they want to. They don’t all have to announce on the same day.

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I know this is old news but can someone explain the Misa / Barca drama?

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I would kill to see Barca bring back the black third kit and have Mapi dye her hair platinum blonde again

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Okay since other threads kept saying this should only be discussed here: Thoughts on Patri's apparent impending return to the national squad, specifically taking a spot in the 18 player Olympic squad? Let's also include Pina and Mapi possibly. Patri's recent statements seem like she's already setting people's expectations for her return. Thoughts?

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Okay since other threads kept saying this should only be discussed here: Thoughts on Patri's apparent impending return to the national squad, specifically taking a spot in the 18 player Olympic squad? Let's also include Pina and Mapi possibly. Patri's recent statements seem like she's already setting people's expectations for her return. Thoughts?

They should keep their word and not return until all of the changes on the Oliva agreement are completed, a lot of which are not possible until after the RFEF elections. So, no Olympics for them.

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Okay since other threads kept saying this should only be discussed here: Thoughts on Patri's apparent impending return to the national squad, specifically taking a spot in the 18 player Olympic squad? Let's also include Pina and Mapi possibly. Patri's recent statements seem like she's already setting people's expectations for her return. Thoughts?

They should keep their word and not return until all of the changes on the Oliva agreement are completed, a lot of which are not possible until after the RFEF elections. So, no Olympics for them.

Agreed. When is RFEF elections?

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Okay since other threads kept saying this should only be discussed here: Thoughts on Patri's apparent impending return to the national squad, specifically taking a spot in the 18 player Olympic squad? Let's also include Pina and Mapi possibly. Patri's recent statements seem like she's already setting people's expectations for her return. Thoughts?

They should keep their word and not return until all of the changes on the Oliva agreement are completed, a lot of which are not possible until after the RFEF elections. So, no Olympics for them.

Agreed. When is RFEF elections?

They have not announced a date yet. There is a rumour that they will wait until after the men’s Euros and the Olympic.

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Okay since other threads kept saying this should only be discussed here: Thoughts on Patri's apparent impending return to the national squad, specifically taking a spot in the 18 player Olympic squad? Let's also include Pina and Mapi possibly. Patri's recent statements seem like she's already setting people's expectations for her return. Thoughts?

They should keep their word and not return until all of the changes on the Oliva agreement are completed, a lot of which are not possible until after the RFEF elections. So, no Olympics for them.

Agreed. When is RFEF elections?

They have not announced a date yet. There is a rumour that they will wait until after the men’s Euros and the Olympic.

why wait until after the men’s Euros and the Olympics?

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Okay since other threads kept saying this should only be discussed here: Thoughts on Patri's apparent impending return to the national squad, specifically taking a spot in the 18 player Olympic squad? Let's also include Pina and Mapi possibly. Patri's recent statements seem like she's already setting people's expectations for her return. Thoughts?

They should keep their word and not return until all of the changes on the Oliva agreement are completed, a lot of which are not possible until after the RFEF elections. So, no Olympics for them.

Agreed. When is RFEF elections?

They have not announced a date yet. There is a rumour that they will wait until after the men’s Euros and the Olympic.

why wait until after the men’s Euros and the Olympics?

I assume so as not to disrupt either team’s participation in the tournament.

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What was it again why they left the Oliva talks during camp? I already forgot why Patri and Mapi are still boycotting honestly. Like what changes exactly do they want? Do they want Monste gone?

Because they are bitter about the fact that they made the wrong choice and missed out on a World Cup. They didn’t go to the World Cup because they thought that Spain would fail in the first knockout match like they always did, and they didn’t want the embarrassment of that. Beyond that nobody knows what specific changes they want because they have never said what they are, and they clearly didn’t trust their captains’ approach of achieving change from within.

Nonsense. And pro-misogyny nonsense at that. Everyone knew that Spain had a chance of winning the World Cup. They put their principles above personal glory. They should be applauded for that, not attacked. What teams do you all support?

Okay. But please explain what is Patri and Mapi still boycotting about that hasn't been addressed already or agreed upon during the Oliva talks? The discussion above has been pretty clear that changes won't be instant but there's already plans towards them. Even Patri and Mapi mentioned when they walked out of the camp that they're content with what was discussed but they were just leaving due to mental health. They both already acknowledged the agreement that time. So what is still keeping them away until now?

DA. They let their teammates down in Oliva. The CSD asked the players to stay and play as an act of good faith to ratify the agreement, but they couldn’t even do that. Both Irene and Alexia said that they weren’t exactly comfortable but they stayed because they believed that it was needed to move forward and cement the agreement, and to protect the younger players.

Didn’t Irene say their (Mapi and Patri) situation was different? Idk why some of you are hell bent on pinning the players against each other still. Stop glorifying some over the others. Mapi and Patri weren’t asked nicely to come back to the NT, they were forced out of threat of sanction. My mental health would be terrible in that situation. It’s really toxic that you think we should be forcing players to just show up. The fact that RFEF has the threat of sanction in their rules is wild enough to know this isn’t the fault of any of the players.

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Because they are bitter about the fact that they made the wrong choice and missed out on a World Cup. They didn’t go to the World Cup because they thought that Spain would fail in the first knockout match like they always did, and they didn’t want the embarrassment of that. Beyond that nobody knows what specific changes they want because they have never said what they are, and they clearly didn’t trust their captains’ approach of achieving change from within.

Nonsense. And pro-misogyny nonsense at that. Everyone knew that Spain had a chance of winning the World Cup. They put their principles above personal glory. They should be applauded for that, not attacked. What teams do you all support?

Okay. But please explain what is Patri and Mapi still boycotting about that hasn't been addressed already or agreed upon during the Oliva talks? The discussion above has been pretty clear that changes won't be instant but there's already plans towards them. Even Patri and Mapi mentioned when they walked out of the camp that they're content with what was discussed but they were just leaving due to mental health. They both already acknowledged the agreement that time. So what is still keeping them away until now?

DA. They let their teammates down in Oliva. The CSD asked the players to stay and play as an act of good faith to ratify the agreement, but they couldn’t even do that. Both Irene and Alexia said that they weren’t exactly comfortable but they stayed because they believed that it was needed to move forward and cement the agreement, and to protect the younger players.

Didn’t Irene say their (Mapi and Patri) situation was different? Idk why some of you are hell bent on pinning the players against each other still. Stop glorifying some over the others. Mapi and Patri weren’t asked nicely to come back to the NT, they were forced out of threat of sanction. My mental health would be terrible in that situation. It’s really toxic that you think we should be forcing players to just show up. The fact that RFEF has the threat of sanction in their rules is wild enough to know this isn’t the fault of any of the players.

How Mapi and Patri were summoned to that camp was no different to how the rest of the players were summoned. The rest of the players stuck it out and worked for change though.

Also, no one is pitting the players against each other, just pointing out who is actually working to achieve change and who is sitting at home doing nothing to progress change while whinging to the media about their values, which is essentially saying that their teammates have no values because they played in a World Cup.

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Nonsense. And pro-misogyny nonsense at that. Everyone knew that Spain had a chance of winning the World Cup. They put their principles above personal glory. They should be applauded for that, not attacked. What teams do you all support?

Okay. But please explain what is Patri and Mapi still boycotting about that hasn't been addressed already or agreed upon during the Oliva talks? The discussion above has been pretty clear that changes won't be instant but there's already plans towards them. Even Patri and Mapi mentioned when they walked out of the camp that they're content with what was discussed but they were just leaving due to mental health. They both already acknowledged the agreement that time. So what is still keeping them away until now?

DA. They let their teammates down in Oliva. The CSD asked the players to stay and play as an act of good faith to ratify the agreement, but they couldn’t even do that. Both Irene and Alexia said that they weren’t exactly comfortable but they stayed because they believed that it was needed to move forward and cement the agreement, and to protect the younger players.

Didn’t Irene say their (Mapi and Patri) situation was different? Idk why some of you are hell bent on pinning the players against each other still. Stop glorifying some over the others. Mapi and Patri weren’t asked nicely to come back to the NT, they were forced out of threat of sanction. My mental health would be terrible in that situation. It’s really toxic that you think we should be forcing players to just show up. The fact that RFEF has the threat of sanction in their rules is wild enough to know this isn’t the fault of any of the players.

How Mapi and Patri were summoned to that camp was no different to how the rest of the players were summoned. The rest of the players stuck it out and worked for change though.

Also, no one is pitting the players against each other, just pointing out who is actually working to achieve change and who is sitting at home doing nothing to progress change while whinging to the media about their values, which is essentially saying that their teammates have no values because they played in a World Cup.

Difference of opinion I guess. I don’t think it’s whining. Literally everyone could see that the RFEF has issues, and people had the right to not go. It’s completely different in that Mapi and Patri chose not to go to WC. To then get a threat of sanction after giving that up, is different than the players who had just won the WC. But sure, keep ragging on certain players and not the RFEF or Tome if it makes you feel better about your favs.

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Okay. But please explain what is Patri and Mapi still boycotting about that hasn't been addressed already or agreed upon during the Oliva talks? The discussion above has been pretty clear that changes won't be instant but there's already plans towards them. Even Patri and Mapi mentioned when they walked out of the camp that they're content with what was discussed but they were just leaving due to mental health. They both already acknowledged the agreement that time. So what is still keeping them away until now?

DA. They let their teammates down in Oliva. The CSD asked the players to stay and play as an act of good faith to ratify the agreement, but they couldn’t even do that. Both Irene and Alexia said that they weren’t exactly comfortable but they stayed because they believed that it was needed to move forward and cement the agreement, and to protect the younger players.

Didn’t Irene say their (Mapi and Patri) situation was different? Idk why some of you are hell bent on pinning the players against each other still. Stop glorifying some over the others. Mapi and Patri weren’t asked nicely to come back to the NT, they were forced out of threat of sanction. My mental health would be terrible in that situation. It’s really toxic that you think we should be forcing players to just show up. The fact that RFEF has the threat of sanction in their rules is wild enough to know this isn’t the fault of any of the players.

How Mapi and Patri were summoned to that camp was no different to how the rest of the players were summoned. The rest of the players stuck it out and worked for change though.

Also, no one is pitting the players against each other, just pointing out who is actually working to achieve change and who is sitting at home doing nothing to progress change while whinging to the media about their values, which is essentially saying that their teammates have no values because they played in a World Cup.

Difference of opinion I guess. I don’t think it’s whining. Literally everyone could see that the RFEF has issues, and people had the right to not go. It’s completely different in that Mapi and Patri chose not to go to WC. To then get a threat of sanction after giving that up, is different than the players who had just won the WC. But sure, keep ragging on certain players and not the RFEF or Tome if it makes you feel better about your favs.

Clearly you are unable to accept a difference of opinion. Having this opinion of Mapi and Patri doesn’t absolve the RFEF or Tome, and I never suggested that. Other players like Lola and Amaiur also made the decision to give up a World Cup, and were able to do so without insinuating that their teammates had no values. Amaiur was also under threat of sanction when she was summoned to the Oliva camp, but she managed to stay and help her teammates.

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Nonsense. And pro-misogyny nonsense at that. Everyone knew that Spain had a chance of winning the World Cup. They put their principles above personal glory. They should be applauded for that, not attacked. What teams do you all support?

Okay. But please explain what is Patri and Mapi still boycotting about that hasn't been addressed already or agreed upon during the Oliva talks? The discussion above has been pretty clear that changes won't be instant but there's already plans towards them. Even Patri and Mapi mentioned when they walked out of the camp that they're content with what was discussed but they were just leaving due to mental health. They both already acknowledged the agreement that time. So what is still keeping them away until now?

DA. They let their teammates down in Oliva. The CSD asked the players to stay and play as an act of good faith to ratify the agreement, but they couldn’t even do that. Both Irene and Alexia said that they weren’t exactly comfortable but they stayed because they believed that it was needed to move forward and cement the agreement, and to protect the younger players.

Didn’t Irene say their (Mapi and Patri) situation was different? Idk why some of you are hell bent on pinning the players against each other still. Stop glorifying some over the others. Mapi and Patri weren’t asked nicely to come back to the NT, they were forced out of threat of sanction. My mental health would be terrible in that situation. It’s really toxic that you think we should be forcing players to just show up. The fact that RFEF has the threat of sanction in their rules is wild enough to know this isn’t the fault of any of the players.

How Mapi and Patri were summoned to that camp was no different to how the rest of the players were summoned. The rest of the players stuck it out and worked for change though.

Also, no one is pitting the players against each other, just pointing out who is actually working to achieve change and who is sitting at home doing nothing to progress change while whinging to the media about their values, which is essentially saying that their teammates have no values because they played in a World Cup.

DA. That's your interpretation, not something they've said.

And every nt break since oliva has had problems, all the Alexia drama made people forget that the federation didn't even sign a contract and had to change stadium 2 weeks before the game when some fans had already bought tickets and hotel rooms, previous break second half started with 2 less players on the other one they fuced up with the convo list and players couldn't play (including what would have been Paredes 100th cap). It seems that either there are still people with power on the rfef wanting to boycott the women's team or that they don't care and put incompetent people to work with them

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Okay. But please explain what is Patri and Mapi still boycotting about that hasn't been addressed already or agreed upon during the Oliva talks? The discussion above has been pretty clear that changes won't be instant but there's already plans towards them. Even Patri and Mapi mentioned when they walked out of the camp that they're content with what was discussed but they were just leaving due to mental health. They both already acknowledged the agreement that time. So what is still keeping them away until now?

DA. They let their teammates down in Oliva. The CSD asked the players to stay and play as an act of good faith to ratify the agreement, but they couldn’t even do that. Both Irene and Alexia said that they weren’t exactly comfortable but they stayed because they believed that it was needed to move forward and cement the agreement, and to protect the younger players.

Didn’t Irene say their (Mapi and Patri) situation was different? Idk why some of you are hell bent on pinning the players against each other still. Stop glorifying some over the others. Mapi and Patri weren’t asked nicely to come back to the NT, they were forced out of threat of sanction. My mental health would be terrible in that situation. It’s really toxic that you think we should be forcing players to just show up. The fact that RFEF has the threat of sanction in their rules is wild enough to know this isn’t the fault of any of the players.

How Mapi and Patri were summoned to that camp was no different to how the rest of the players were summoned. The rest of the players stuck it out and worked for change though.

Also, no one is pitting the players against each other, just pointing out who is actually working to achieve change and who is sitting at home doing nothing to progress change while whinging to the media about their values, which is essentially saying that their teammates have no values because they played in a World Cup.

DA. That's your interpretation, not something they've said.

And every nt break since oliva has had problems, all the Alexia drama made people forget that the federation didn't even sign a contract and had to change stadium 2 weeks before the game when some fans had already bought tickets and hotel rooms, previous break second half started with 2 less players on the other one they fuced up with the convo list and players couldn't play (including what would have been Paredes 100th cap). It seems that either there are still people with power on the rfef wanting to boycott the women's team or that they don't care and put incompetent people to work with them

Nobody has forgotten those things. An institution as chronically corrupt and misogynistic as the RFEF does not change overnight. The players have said that progress is very slow, but moving in the right direction. Those players are showing up and continue to fight for those changes from within, and are being the best team in the world on the pitch while they’re at it.

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DA. They let their teammates down in Oliva. The CSD asked the players to stay and play as an act of good faith to ratify the agreement, but they couldn’t even do that. Both Irene and Alexia said that they weren’t exactly comfortable but they stayed because they believed that it was needed to move forward and cement the agreement, and to protect the younger players.

Didn’t Irene say their (Mapi and Patri) situation was different? Idk why some of you are hell bent on pinning the players against each other still. Stop glorifying some over the others. Mapi and Patri weren’t asked nicely to come back to the NT, they were forced out of threat of sanction. My mental health would be terrible in that situation. It’s really toxic that you think we should be forcing players to just show up. The fact that RFEF has the threat of sanction in their rules is wild enough to know this isn’t the fault of any of the players.

How Mapi and Patri were summoned to that camp was no different to how the rest of the players were summoned. The rest of the players stuck it out and worked for change though.

Also, no one is pitting the players against each other, just pointing out who is actually working to achieve change and who is sitting at home doing nothing to progress change while whinging to the media about their values, which is essentially saying that their teammates have no values because they played in a World Cup.

DA. That's your interpretation, not something they've said.

And every nt break since oliva has had problems, all the Alexia drama made people forget that the federation didn't even sign a contract and had to change stadium 2 weeks before the game when some fans had already bought tickets and hotel rooms, previous break second half started with 2 less players on the other one they fuced up with the convo list and players couldn't play (including what would have been Paredes 100th cap). It seems that either there are still people with power on the rfef wanting to boycott the women's team or that they don't care and put incompetent people to work with them

Nobody has forgotten those things. An institution as chronically corrupt and misogynistic as the RFEF does not change overnight. The players have said that progress is very slow, but moving in the right direction. Those players are showing up and continue to fight for those changes from within, and are being the best team in the world on the pitch while they’re at it.

Okay so just to recap, Mapi and Patri acknowledged the agreements for changes to come during Oliva talks but they still walked away because they did not like how they were called up with threat of sanction. But didn't they also already addressed the changes to be made to that national call up sanction? i think there were moves being made already to get rid of that law or something and shouldn't be an issue anymore?
And now we know Markel has been talking to Patri and the others to come back. Patri has been on a PR roll lately, seems she's really trying to set the stage for her come back to NT. Which ok fine, but why does she have to give those low-key snarky remarks about her teammates lately? The NT squad has moved on and able to settle their differences to play and win 2 titles now. She's trying to come into the picture now while making those snarks and creating tension again. I don't know, I just feel like she can't just waltz in anytime she likes and leave them hanging anytime she doesn't want to stick by them.

[Guest]

Didn’t Irene say their (Mapi and Patri) situation was different? Idk why some of you are hell bent on pinning the players against each other still. Stop glorifying some over the others. Mapi and Patri weren’t asked nicely to come back to the NT, they were forced out of threat of sanction. My mental health would be terrible in that situation. It’s really toxic that you think we should be forcing players to just show up. The fact that RFEF has the threat of sanction in their rules is wild enough to know this isn’t the fault of any of the players.

How Mapi and Patri were summoned to that camp was no different to how the rest of the players were summoned. The rest of the players stuck it out and worked for change though.

Also, no one is pitting the players against each other, just pointing out who is actually working to achieve change and who is sitting at home doing nothing to progress change while whinging to the media about their values, which is essentially saying that their teammates have no values because they played in a World Cup.

DA. That's your interpretation, not something they've said.

And every nt break since oliva has had problems, all the Alexia drama made people forget that the federation didn't even sign a contract and had to change stadium 2 weeks before the game when some fans had already bought tickets and hotel rooms, previous break second half started with 2 less players on the other one they fuced up with the convo list and players couldn't play (including what would have been Paredes 100th cap). It seems that either there are still people with power on the rfef wanting to boycott the women's team or that they don't care and put incompetent people to work with them

Nobody has forgotten those things. An institution as chronically corrupt and misogynistic as the RFEF does not change overnight. The players have said that progress is very slow, but moving in the right direction. Those players are showing up and continue to fight for those changes from within, and are being the best team in the world on the pitch while they’re at it.

Okay so just to recap, Mapi and Patri acknowledged the agreements for changes to come during Oliva talks but they still walked away because they did not like how they were called up with threat of sanction. But didn't they also already addressed the changes to be made to that national call up sanction? i think there were moves being made already to get rid of that law or something and shouldn't be an issue anymore?
And now we know Markel has been talking to Patri and the others to come back. Patri has been on a PR roll lately, seems she's really trying to set the stage for her come back to NT. Which ok fine, but why does she have to give those low-key snarky remarks about her teammates lately? The NT squad has moved on and able to settle their differences to play and win 2 titles now. She's trying to come into the picture now while making those snarks and creating tension again. I don't know, I just feel like she can't just waltz in anytime she likes and leave them hanging anytime she doesn't want to stick by them.

As far as I remember, Mapi and Patri suggested that they would not come back until all of the changes were actually made, that an agreement to change was not enough. I say suggested, because I don’t think that they stated that explicitly, but I don’t remember for sure. They have not been clear on what it is that they actually want through this entire process. Now, Patri is definitely making moves to come back. All of the changes are not made. Both Markel and Jenni said that in the mixed zone at the recent camp. Markel specified that some things cannot happen until after the elections, and Jenni just said that progress was very slow but was moving in the right direction. So, why is Patri coming back? Well, she can see that this team is capable of winning despite everything around them. They have a great chance to win the Olympics and the Euros, and I guess that she doesn’t want to miss out again.

Have to admit that I’ve never liked Mapi, and I think that the NT locker room is probably better off without her. I used to like Patri, but have completely lost respect for her for how she’s treated her colleagues on this one. Especially if she just turns around and comes back now after everything. I also think that she influenced Pina, who is a young player without the NT status that Mapi and Patri had. I can see Pina being left without a senior NT career completely.

[Guest]

How Mapi and Patri were summoned to that camp was no different to how the rest of the players were summoned. The rest of the players stuck it out and worked for change though.

Also, no one is pitting the players against each other, just pointing out who is actually working to achieve change and who is sitting at home doing nothing to progress change while whinging to the media about their values, which is essentially saying that their teammates have no values because they played in a World Cup.

DA. That's your interpretation, not something they've said.

And every nt break since oliva has had problems, all the Alexia drama made people forget that the federation didn't even sign a contract and had to change stadium 2 weeks before the game when some fans had already bought tickets and hotel rooms, previous break second half started with 2 less players on the other one they fuced up with the convo list and players couldn't play (including what would have been Paredes 100th cap). It seems that either there are still people with power on the rfef wanting to boycott the women's team or that they don't care and put incompetent people to work with them

Nobody has forgotten those things. An institution as chronically corrupt and misogynistic as the RFEF does not change overnight. The players have said that progress is very slow, but moving in the right direction. Those players are showing up and continue to fight for those changes from within, and are being the best team in the world on the pitch while they’re at it.

Okay so just to recap, Mapi and Patri acknowledged the agreements for changes to come during Oliva talks but they still walked away because they did not like how they were called up with threat of sanction. But didn't they also already addressed the changes to be made to that national call up sanction? i think there were moves being made already to get rid of that law or something and shouldn't be an issue anymore?
And now we know Markel has been talking to Patri and the others to come back. Patri has been on a PR roll lately, seems she's really trying to set the stage for her come back to NT. Which ok fine, but why does she have to give those low-key snarky remarks about her teammates lately? The NT squad has moved on and able to settle their differences to play and win 2 titles now. She's trying to come into the picture now while making those snarks and creating tension again. I don't know, I just feel like she can't just waltz in anytime she likes and leave them hanging anytime she doesn't want to stick by them.

As far as I remember, Mapi and Patri suggested that they would not come back until all of the changes were actually made, that an agreement to change was not enough. I say suggested, because I don’t think that they stated that explicitly, but I don’t remember for sure. They have not been clear on what it is that they actually want through this entire process. Now, Patri is definitely making moves to come back. All of the changes are not made. Both Markel and Jenni said that in the mixed zone at the recent camp. Markel specified that some things cannot happen until after the elections, and Jenni just said that progress was very slow but was moving in the right direction. So, why is Patri coming back? Well, she can see that this team is capable of winning despite everything around them. They have a great chance to win the Olympics and the Euros, and I guess that she doesn’t want to miss out again.

Have to admit that I’ve never liked Mapi, and I think that the NT locker room is probably better off without her. I used to like Patri, but have completely lost respect for her for how she’s treated her colleagues on this one. Especially if she just turns around and comes back now after everything. I also think that she influenced Pina, who is a young player without the NT status that Mapi and Patri had. I can see Pina being left without a senior NT career completely.

Yeah that's what I'm not understanding with what Patri is setting up here. I think you're right that Mapi and Patri stated that they're not coming back until all changes are done and not just in words. So i guess that's my question really now, Patri is so big about her values and not coming back at that time, but now she wants to come back even if the changes she demanded aren't done yet? Contradicting no? Add to that she made those shady comments about teammates being selfish and it's just so ironic because we all see what's she's trying to do now LOL Like stay true to your word and your supposed values girl and don't come back until all changes are done. Her teammates stick with each other and sacrificed their reputation and ended up winning, enabling them to make changes from the inside. Patri should also stick with her decision and face its consequences and as per her values, only come back when all changes are done.

[Guest]

DA. That's your interpretation, not something they've said.

And every nt break since oliva has had problems, all the Alexia drama made people forget that the federation didn't even sign a contract and had to change stadium 2 weeks before the game when some fans had already bought tickets and hotel rooms, previous break second half started with 2 less players on the other one they fuced up with the convo list and players couldn't play (including what would have been Paredes 100th cap). It seems that either there are still people with power on the rfef wanting to boycott the women's team or that they don't care and put incompetent people to work with them

Nobody has forgotten those things. An institution as chronically corrupt and misogynistic as the RFEF does not change overnight. The players have said that progress is very slow, but moving in the right direction. Those players are showing up and continue to fight for those changes from within, and are being the best team in the world on the pitch while they’re at it.

Okay so just to recap, Mapi and Patri acknowledged the agreements for changes to come during Oliva talks but they still walked away because they did not like how they were called up with threat of sanction. But didn't they also already addressed the changes to be made to that national call up sanction? i think there were moves being made already to get rid of that law or something and shouldn't be an issue anymore?
And now we know Markel has been talking to Patri and the others to come back. Patri has been on a PR roll lately, seems she's really trying to set the stage for her come back to NT. Which ok fine, but why does she have to give those low-key snarky remarks about her teammates lately? The NT squad has moved on and able to settle their differences to play and win 2 titles now. She's trying to come into the picture now while making those snarks and creating tension again. I don't know, I just feel like she can't just waltz in anytime she likes and leave them hanging anytime she doesn't want to stick by them.

As far as I remember, Mapi and Patri suggested that they would not come back until all of the changes were actually made, that an agreement to change was not enough. I say suggested, because I don’t think that they stated that explicitly, but I don’t remember for sure. They have not been clear on what it is that they actually want through this entire process. Now, Patri is definitely making moves to come back. All of the changes are not made. Both Markel and Jenni said that in the mixed zone at the recent camp. Markel specified that some things cannot happen until after the elections, and Jenni just said that progress was very slow but was moving in the right direction. So, why is Patri coming back? Well, she can see that this team is capable of winning despite everything around them. They have a great chance to win the Olympics and the Euros, and I guess that she doesn’t want to miss out again.

Have to admit that I’ve never liked Mapi, and I think that the NT locker room is probably better off without her. I used to like Patri, but have completely lost respect for her for how she’s treated her colleagues on this one. Especially if she just turns around and comes back now after everything. I also think that she influenced Pina, who is a young player without the NT status that Mapi and Patri had. I can see Pina being left without a senior NT career completely.

Yeah that's what I'm not understanding with what Patri is setting up here. I think you're right that Mapi and Patri stated that they're not coming back until all changes are done and not just in words. So i guess that's my question really now, Patri is so big about her values and not coming back at that time, but now she wants to come back even if the changes she demanded aren't done yet? Contradicting no? Add to that she made those shady comments about teammates being selfish and it's just so ironic because we all see what's she's trying to do now LOL Like stay true to your word and your supposed values girl and don't come back until all changes are done. Her teammates stick with each other and sacrificed their reputation and ended up winning, enabling them to make changes from the inside. Patri should also stick with her decision and face its consequences and as per her values, only come back when all changes are done.

Fully agree. The problem for her is that she knows that the Olympics and probably even the Euros will have passed before all of the changes in the Oliva agreement are implemented. The delay in holding the elections has slowed a lot down.

[Guest]

Didn’t Irene say their (Mapi and Patri) situation was different? Idk why some of you are hell bent on pinning the players against each other still. Stop glorifying some over the others. Mapi and Patri weren’t asked nicely to come back to the NT, they were forced out of threat of sanction. My mental health would be terrible in that situation. It’s really toxic that you think we should be forcing players to just show up. The fact that RFEF has the threat of sanction in their rules is wild enough to know this isn’t the fault of any of the players.

How Mapi and Patri were summoned to that camp was no different to how the rest of the players were summoned. The rest of the players stuck it out and worked for change though.

Also, no one is pitting the players against each other, just pointing out who is actually working to achieve change and who is sitting at home doing nothing to progress change while whinging to the media about their values, which is essentially saying that their teammates have no values because they played in a World Cup.

DA. That's your interpretation, not something they've said.

And every nt break since oliva has had problems, all the Alexia drama made people forget that the federation didn't even sign a contract and had to change stadium 2 weeks before the game when some fans had already bought tickets and hotel rooms, previous break second half started with 2 less players on the other one they fuced up with the convo list and players couldn't play (including what would have been Paredes 100th cap). It seems that either there are still people with power on the rfef wanting to boycott the women's team or that they don't care and put incompetent people to work with them

Nobody has forgotten those things. An institution as chronically corrupt and misogynistic as the RFEF does not change overnight. The players have said that progress is very slow, but moving in the right direction. Those players are showing up and continue to fight for those changes from within, and are being the best team in the world on the pitch while they’re at it.

Okay so just to recap, Mapi and Patri acknowledged the agreements for changes to come during Oliva talks but they still walked away because they did not like how they were called up with threat of sanction. But didn't they also already addressed the changes to be made to that national call up sanction? i think there were moves being made already to get rid of that law or something and shouldn't be an issue anymore?
And now we know Markel has been talking to Patri and the others to come back. Patri has been on a PR roll lately, seems she's really trying to set the stage for her come back to NT. Which ok fine, but why does she have to give those low-key snarky remarks about her teammates lately? The NT squad has moved on and able to settle their differences to play and win 2 titles now. She's trying to come into the picture now while making those snarks and creating tension again. I don't know, I just feel like she can't just waltz in anytime she likes and leave them hanging anytime she doesn't want to stick by them.

Okay so isn’t that exactly what Aitana did? Or any of the other las15 that made themselves available again? Waltz out and then waltz backed in without saying anything to their intentions?

[Guest]

Could faint after watching Mapi’s rehab video

[Guest]

How Mapi and Patri were summoned to that camp was no different to how the rest of the players were summoned. The rest of the players stuck it out and worked for change though.

Also, no one is pitting the players against each other, just pointing out who is actually working to achieve change and who is sitting at home doing nothing to progress change while whinging to the media about their values, which is essentially saying that their teammates have no values because they played in a World Cup.

DA. That's your interpretation, not something they've said.

And every nt break since oliva has had problems, all the Alexia drama made people forget that the federation didn't even sign a contract and had to change stadium 2 weeks before the game when some fans had already bought tickets and hotel rooms, previous break second half started with 2 less players on the other one they fuced up with the convo list and players couldn't play (including what would have been Paredes 100th cap). It seems that either there are still people with power on the rfef wanting to boycott the women's team or that they don't care and put incompetent people to work with them

Nobody has forgotten those things. An institution as chronically corrupt and misogynistic as the RFEF does not change overnight. The players have said that progress is very slow, but moving in the right direction. Those players are showing up and continue to fight for those changes from within, and are being the best team in the world on the pitch while they’re at it.

Okay so just to recap, Mapi and Patri acknowledged the agreements for changes to come during Oliva talks but they still walked away because they did not like how they were called up with threat of sanction. But didn't they also already addressed the changes to be made to that national call up sanction? i think there were moves being made already to get rid of that law or something and shouldn't be an issue anymore?
And now we know Markel has been talking to Patri and the others to come back. Patri has been on a PR roll lately, seems she's really trying to set the stage for her come back to NT. Which ok fine, but why does she have to give those low-key snarky remarks about her teammates lately? The NT squad has moved on and able to settle their differences to play and win 2 titles now. She's trying to come into the picture now while making those snarks and creating tension again. I don't know, I just feel like she can't just waltz in anytime she likes and leave them hanging anytime she doesn't want to stick by them.

Okay so isn’t that exactly what Aitana did? Or any of the other las15 that made themselves available again? Waltz out and then waltz backed in without saying anything to their intentions?

Aitana may have had selfish reasons for going back, but she opened a dialogue with the RFEF, and said that the changes that they made prior to the WC (travel conditions, allowance for family travel) were enough for her to go back and continue to push for more change from within. Basically she accepted that Las 15 strategy was wrong and wasn’t too stubborn to move on from it. She also made her peace with the players who hadn’t been part of Las 15 and seems to have integrated well back into the locker room. I don’t remember her giving multiple interviews preaching about her values before all that, which probably helped her reintegration. And she did face up to the media when she returned and explained why she returned, which is more than Alexia did, who completely boycotted her media duties until they won the WC because she knew that no one would ask her then why she went back. Aitana may not have done everything perfectly, but she’s not a coward.

[Guest]

DA. That's your interpretation, not something they've said.

And every nt break since oliva has had problems, all the Alexia drama made people forget that the federation didn't even sign a contract and had to change stadium 2 weeks before the game when some fans had already bought tickets and hotel rooms, previous break second half started with 2 less players on the other one they fuced up with the convo list and players couldn't play (including what would have been Paredes 100th cap). It seems that either there are still people with power on the rfef wanting to boycott the women's team or that they don't care and put incompetent people to work with them

Nobody has forgotten those things. An institution as chronically corrupt and misogynistic as the RFEF does not change overnight. The players have said that progress is very slow, but moving in the right direction. Those players are showing up and continue to fight for those changes from within, and are being the best team in the world on the pitch while they’re at it.

Okay so just to recap, Mapi and Patri acknowledged the agreements for changes to come during Oliva talks but they still walked away because they did not like how they were called up with threat of sanction. But didn't they also already addressed the changes to be made to that national call up sanction? i think there were moves being made already to get rid of that law or something and shouldn't be an issue anymore?
And now we know Markel has been talking to Patri and the others to come back. Patri has been on a PR roll lately, seems she's really trying to set the stage for her come back to NT. Which ok fine, but why does she have to give those low-key snarky remarks about her teammates lately? The NT squad has moved on and able to settle their differences to play and win 2 titles now. She's trying to come into the picture now while making those snarks and creating tension again. I don't know, I just feel like she can't just waltz in anytime she likes and leave them hanging anytime she doesn't want to stick by them.

Okay so isn’t that exactly what Aitana did? Or any of the other las15 that made themselves available again? Waltz out and then waltz backed in without saying anything to their intentions?

Aitana may have had selfish reasons for going back, but she opened a dialogue with the RFEF, and said that the changes that they made prior to the WC (travel conditions, allowance for family travel) were enough for her to go back and continue to push for more change from within. Basically she accepted that Las 15 strategy was wrong and wasn’t too stubborn to move on from it. She also made her peace with the players who hadn’t been part of Las 15 and seems to have integrated well back into the locker room. I don’t remember her giving multiple interviews preaching about her values before all that, which probably helped her reintegration. And she did face up to the media when she returned and explained why she returned, which is more than Alexia did, who completely boycotted her media duties until they won the WC because she knew that no one would ask her then why she went back. Aitana may not have done everything perfectly, but she’s not a coward.

x2 exactly. The difference is Aitana was able to recognize when she made a wrong strategy, made peace with herself and her teammates and then went together despite of criticisms like the above, fought together and won the WC and gave themselves a platform to make changes from the inside. Laia A and Lucia had recent interviews detailing their heartbreak of being part of last 15 and being passed over for WC. But look at the team now, everyone has made peace and more united than ever, including Aitana, Laia A and Lucia. The problem with Patri is she's being a hypocrite right now because she's seeing the team is succeeding without her, she thought her values were right and the team will crumble, but the struggles only made the team stronger together - even without Patri. So now she wants in on the success too - which should have been okay IF she wasn't doing all these interviews still shading them. If you want to come back then act like the others did, make peace. The way she's doing it now is just creating tension, all because she can't admit she was wrong.

[Guest]

Nobody has forgotten those things. An institution as chronically corrupt and misogynistic as the RFEF does not change overnight. The players have said that progress is very slow, but moving in the right direction. Those players are showing up and continue to fight for those changes from within, and are being the best team in the world on the pitch while they’re at it.

Okay so just to recap, Mapi and Patri acknowledged the agreements for changes to come during Oliva talks but they still walked away because they did not like how they were called up with threat of sanction. But didn't they also already addressed the changes to be made to that national call up sanction? i think there were moves being made already to get rid of that law or something and shouldn't be an issue anymore?
And now we know Markel has been talking to Patri and the others to come back. Patri has been on a PR roll lately, seems she's really trying to set the stage for her come back to NT. Which ok fine, but why does she have to give those low-key snarky remarks about her teammates lately? The NT squad has moved on and able to settle their differences to play and win 2 titles now. She's trying to come into the picture now while making those snarks and creating tension again. I don't know, I just feel like she can't just waltz in anytime she likes and leave them hanging anytime she doesn't want to stick by them.

Okay so isn’t that exactly what Aitana did? Or any of the other las15 that made themselves available again? Waltz out and then waltz backed in without saying anything to their intentions?

Aitana may have had selfish reasons for going back, but she opened a dialogue with the RFEF, and said that the changes that they made prior to the WC (travel conditions, allowance for family travel) were enough for her to go back and continue to push for more change from within. Basically she accepted that Las 15 strategy was wrong and wasn’t too stubborn to move on from it. She also made her peace with the players who hadn’t been part of Las 15 and seems to have integrated well back into the locker room. I don’t remember her giving multiple interviews preaching about her values before all that, which probably helped her reintegration. And she did face up to the media when she returned and explained why she returned, which is more than Alexia did, who completely boycotted her media duties until they won the WC because she knew that no one would ask her then why she went back. Aitana may not have done everything perfectly, but she’s not a coward.

x2 exactly. The difference is Aitana was able to recognize when she made a wrong strategy, made peace with herself and her teammates and then went together despite of criticisms like the above, fought together and won the WC and gave themselves a platform to make changes from the inside. Laia A and Lucia had recent interviews detailing their heartbreak of being part of last 15 and being passed over for WC. But look at the team now, everyone has made peace and more united than ever, including Aitana, Laia A and Lucia. The problem with Patri is she's being a hypocrite right now because she's seeing the team is succeeding without her, she thought her values were right and the team will crumble, but the struggles only made the team stronger together - even without Patri. So now she wants in on the success too - which should have been okay IF she wasn't doing all these interviews still shading them. If you want to come back then act like the others did, make peace. The way she's doing it now is just creating tension, all because she can't admit she was wrong.

Okay but my point is, Patri hasn’t come back. You’re assuming a lot of stuff based off actions she hasn’t even done yet. You don’t know what’s going to happen in the future if she comes back. Same as we didn’t know what Aitana would say until after she came back. I don’t even think Patri is shading them. Her values are her own, and they aren’t right or wrong, because they are things that matter to her. Also pretty sure no one here is on any of their teams, so you don’t know about any tension.

[Guest]

Okay so just to recap, Mapi and Patri acknowledged the agreements for changes to come during Oliva talks but they still walked away because they did not like how they were called up with threat of sanction. But didn't they also already addressed the changes to be made to that national call up sanction? i think there were moves being made already to get rid of that law or something and shouldn't be an issue anymore?
And now we know Markel has been talking to Patri and the others to come back. Patri has been on a PR roll lately, seems she's really trying to set the stage for her come back to NT. Which ok fine, but why does she have to give those low-key snarky remarks about her teammates lately? The NT squad has moved on and able to settle their differences to play and win 2 titles now. She's trying to come into the picture now while making those snarks and creating tension again. I don't know, I just feel like she can't just waltz in anytime she likes and leave them hanging anytime she doesn't want to stick by them.

Okay so isn’t that exactly what Aitana did? Or any of the other las15 that made themselves available again? Waltz out and then waltz backed in without saying anything to their intentions?

Aitana may have had selfish reasons for going back, but she opened a dialogue with the RFEF, and said that the changes that they made prior to the WC (travel conditions, allowance for family travel) were enough for her to go back and continue to push for more change from within. Basically she accepted that Las 15 strategy was wrong and wasn’t too stubborn to move on from it. She also made her peace with the players who hadn’t been part of Las 15 and seems to have integrated well back into the locker room. I don’t remember her giving multiple interviews preaching about her values before all that, which probably helped her reintegration. And she did face up to the media when she returned and explained why she returned, which is more than Alexia did, who completely boycotted her media duties until they won the WC because she knew that no one would ask her then why she went back. Aitana may not have done everything perfectly, but she’s not a coward.

x2 exactly. The difference is Aitana was able to recognize when she made a wrong strategy, made peace with herself and her teammates and then went together despite of criticisms like the above, fought together and won the WC and gave themselves a platform to make changes from the inside. Laia A and Lucia had recent interviews detailing their heartbreak of being part of last 15 and being passed over for WC. But look at the team now, everyone has made peace and more united than ever, including Aitana, Laia A and Lucia. The problem with Patri is she's being a hypocrite right now because she's seeing the team is succeeding without her, she thought her values were right and the team will crumble, but the struggles only made the team stronger together - even without Patri. So now she wants in on the success too - which should have been okay IF she wasn't doing all these interviews still shading them. If you want to come back then act like the others did, make peace. The way she's doing it now is just creating tension, all because she can't admit she was wrong.

Okay but my point is, Patri hasn’t come back. You’re assuming a lot of stuff based off actions she hasn’t even done yet. You don’t know what’s going to happen in the future if she comes back. Same as we didn’t know what Aitana would say until after she came back. I don’t even think Patri is shading them. Her values are her own, and they aren’t right or wrong, because they are things that matter to her. Also pretty sure no one here is on any of their teams, so you don’t know about any tension.

DA. I think the point is that both she and Mapi could have said that they did not go back because the changes that the RFEF made prior to the WC were not enough for them, they wanted more and left it at that. Instead they made a massive deal of saying that they did not go back because they were unwilling to compromise on their values. Intentionally or not, that does insinuate that they think that the players who did feel like the minimum changes were enough to go back compromised their values. And it’s not like they said it only once.

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Okay so isn’t that exactly what Aitana did? Or any of the other las15 that made themselves available again? Waltz out and then waltz backed in without saying anything to their intentions?

Aitana may have had selfish reasons for going back, but she opened a dialogue with the RFEF, and said that the changes that they made prior to the WC (travel conditions, allowance for family travel) were enough for her to go back and continue to push for more change from within. Basically she accepted that Las 15 strategy was wrong and wasn’t too stubborn to move on from it. She also made her peace with the players who hadn’t been part of Las 15 and seems to have integrated well back into the locker room. I don’t remember her giving multiple interviews preaching about her values before all that, which probably helped her reintegration. And she did face up to the media when she returned and explained why she returned, which is more than Alexia did, who completely boycotted her media duties until they won the WC because she knew that no one would ask her then why she went back. Aitana may not have done everything perfectly, but she’s not a coward.

x2 exactly. The difference is Aitana was able to recognize when she made a wrong strategy, made peace with herself and her teammates and then went together despite of criticisms like the above, fought together and won the WC and gave themselves a platform to make changes from the inside. Laia A and Lucia had recent interviews detailing their heartbreak of being part of last 15 and being passed over for WC. But look at the team now, everyone has made peace and more united than ever, including Aitana, Laia A and Lucia. The problem with Patri is she's being a hypocrite right now because she's seeing the team is succeeding without her, she thought her values were right and the team will crumble, but the struggles only made the team stronger together - even without Patri. So now she wants in on the success too - which should have been okay IF she wasn't doing all these interviews still shading them. If you want to come back then act like the others did, make peace. The way she's doing it now is just creating tension, all because she can't admit she was wrong.

Okay but my point is, Patri hasn’t come back. You’re assuming a lot of stuff based off actions she hasn’t even done yet. You don’t know what’s going to happen in the future if she comes back. Same as we didn’t know what Aitana would say until after she came back. I don’t even think Patri is shading them. Her values are her own, and they aren’t right or wrong, because they are things that matter to her. Also pretty sure no one here is on any of their teams, so you don’t know about any tension.

DA. I think the point is that both she and Mapi could have said that they did not go back because the changes that the RFEF made prior to the WC were not enough for them, they wanted more and left it at that. Instead they made a massive deal of saying that they did not go back because they were unwilling to compromise on their values. Intentionally or not, that does insinuate that they think that the players who did feel like the minimum changes were enough to go back compromised their values. And it’s not like they said it only once.

they should really read aleixandri and garcia's articles. even if we are outsiders as the other anon above tries to invalidate the points being made, laia and lucia articles are great insights to what happened bts and team dynamics. it's not like patri stood by the side of the other las 15 who were also left out of wc, she also bailed on them. she bailed on everyone because she thought that will make her point that shes right and that they need her. turns out she's wrong and they don't need her.

yes she hasn't come back yet. but all this posturing she's doing is pointing to that. she literally said she's been discussing with markel. i just hope she comes back and make peace instead of trying to barge in and still mouthing off on how she's right. just take the L then come back.

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How long has Esther been with her girlfriend?

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Who’s the better team: 20/21 Barca or 23/24 Barca?

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Who’s the better team: 20/21 Barca or 23/24 Barca?

20/21 Barca was more aesthetically pleasing. They just played with such fluidity. When they were on it, they played like Pep’s Barca. When they got stuck though, they really struggled for a plan B. I think that 23/24 Barca are more dull, but also more flexible. They are able to find different ways to win. The football purist in me prefers 20/21 Barca.

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If Bonmati continues this form and wins everything with Barca and Spain (NL & Olympics) does she over take CGH in Ballon D'or race?

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If Bonmati continues this form and wins everything with Barca and Spain (NL & Olympics) does she over take CGH in Ballon D'or race?

Football is a team sport, and actually winning the titles (UWCL, Nations League and Olympics) is far more important. People need to stop putting so much importance or relevance into individual awards.

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If Bonmati continues this form and wins everything with Barca and Spain (NL & Olympics) does she over take CGH in Ballon D'or race?

Football is a team sport, and actually winning the titles (UWCL, Nations League and Olympics) is far more important. People need to stop putting so much importance or relevance into individual awards.

DA I'd feel sad if CGH doesnt win it, but CGH has literally said she prefers to win UWCL over any individual award.

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Okay so isn’t that exactly what Aitana did? Or any of the other las15 that made themselves available again? Waltz out and then waltz backed in without saying anything to their intentions?

Aitana may have had selfish reasons for going back, but she opened a dialogue with the RFEF, and said that the changes that they made prior to the WC (travel conditions, allowance for family travel) were enough for her to go back and continue to push for more change from within. Basically she accepted that Las 15 strategy was wrong and wasn’t too stubborn to move on from it. She also made her peace with the players who hadn’t been part of Las 15 and seems to have integrated well back into the locker room. I don’t remember her giving multiple interviews preaching about her values before all that, which probably helped her reintegration. And she did face up to the media when she returned and explained why she returned, which is more than Alexia did, who completely boycotted her media duties until they won the WC because she knew that no one would ask her then why she went back. Aitana may not have done everything perfectly, but she’s not a coward.

x2 exactly. The difference is Aitana was able to recognize when she made a wrong strategy, made peace with herself and her teammates and then went together despite of criticisms like the above, fought together and won the WC and gave themselves a platform to make changes from the inside. Laia A and Lucia had recent interviews detailing their heartbreak of being part of last 15 and being passed over for WC. But look at the team now, everyone has made peace and more united than ever, including Aitana, Laia A and Lucia. The problem with Patri is she's being a hypocrite right now because she's seeing the team is succeeding without her, she thought her values were right and the team will crumble, but the struggles only made the team stronger together - even without Patri. So now she wants in on the success too - which should have been okay IF she wasn't doing all these interviews still shading them. If you want to come back then act like the others did, make peace. The way she's doing it now is just creating tension, all because she can't admit she was wrong.

Okay but my point is, Patri hasn’t come back. You’re assuming a lot of stuff based off actions she hasn’t even done yet. You don’t know what’s going to happen in the future if she comes back. Same as we didn’t know what Aitana would say until after she came back. I don’t even think Patri is shading them. Her values are her own, and they aren’t right or wrong, because they are things that matter to her. Also pretty sure no one here is on any of their teams, so you don’t know about any tension.

DA. I think the point is that both she and Mapi could have said that they did not go back because the changes that the RFEF made prior to the WC were not enough for them, they wanted more and left it at that. Instead they made a massive deal of saying that they did not go back because they were unwilling to compromise on their values. Intentionally or not, that does insinuate that they think that the players who did feel like the minimum changes were enough to go back compromised their values. And it’s not like they said it only once.

That’s just a defensive way of thinking though. People can say they have their own values and if people get defensive about that… I wonder what are they trying to defend