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Aitana may have had selfish reasons for going back, but she opened a dialogue with the RFEF, and said that the changes that they made prior to the WC (travel conditions, allowance for family travel) were enough for her to go back and continue to push for more change from within. Basically she accepted that Las 15 strategy was wrong and wasn’t too stubborn to move on from it. She also made her peace with the players who hadn’t been part of Las 15 and seems to have integrated well back into the locker room. I don’t remember her giving multiple interviews preaching about her values before all that, which probably helped her reintegration. And she did face up to the media when she returned and explained why she returned, which is more than Alexia did, who completely boycotted her media duties until they won the WC because she knew that no one would ask her then why she went back. Aitana may not have done everything perfectly, but she’s not a coward.
x2 exactly. The difference is Aitana was able to recognize when she made a wrong strategy, made peace with herself and her teammates and then went together despite of criticisms like the above, fought together and won the WC and gave themselves a platform to make changes from the inside. Laia A and Lucia had recent interviews detailing their heartbreak of being part of last 15 and being passed over for WC. But look at the team now, everyone has made peace and more united than ever, including Aitana, Laia A and Lucia. The problem with Patri is she's being a hypocrite right now because she's seeing the team is succeeding without her, she thought her values were right and the team will crumble, but the struggles only made the team stronger together - even without Patri. So now she wants in on the success too - which should have been okay IF she wasn't doing all these interviews still shading them. If you want to come back then act like the others did, make peace. The way she's doing it now is just creating tension, all because she can't admit she was wrong.
Okay but my point is, Patri hasn’t come back. You’re assuming a lot of stuff based off actions she hasn’t even done yet. You don’t know what’s going to happen in the future if she comes back. Same as we didn’t know what Aitana would say until after she came back. I don’t even think Patri is shading them. Her values are her own, and they aren’t right or wrong, because they are things that matter to her. Also pretty sure no one here is on any of their teams, so you don’t know about any tension.
DA. I think the point is that both she and Mapi could have said that they did not go back because the changes that the RFEF made prior to the WC were not enough for them, they wanted more and left it at that. Instead they made a massive deal of saying that they did not go back because they were unwilling to compromise on their values. Intentionally or not, that does insinuate that they think that the players who did feel like the minimum changes were enough to go back compromised their values. And it’s not like they said it only once.
That’s just a defensive way of thinking though. People can say they have their own values and if people get defensive about that… I wonder what are they trying to defend
It’s an opinion, not a defensive way of thinking.
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Aitana may have had selfish reasons for going back, but she opened a dialogue with the RFEF, and said that the changes that they made prior to the WC (travel conditions, allowance for family travel) were enough for her to go back and continue to push for more change from within. Basically she accepted that Las 15 strategy was wrong and wasn’t too stubborn to move on from it. She also made her peace with the players who hadn’t been part of Las 15 and seems to have integrated well back into the locker room. I don’t remember her giving multiple interviews preaching about her values before all that, which probably helped her reintegration. And she did face up to the media when she returned and explained why she returned, which is more than Alexia did, who completely boycotted her media duties until they won the WC because she knew that no one would ask her then why she went back. Aitana may not have done everything perfectly, but she’s not a coward.
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x2 exactly. The difference is Aitana was able to recognize when she made a wrong strategy, made peace with herself and her teammates and then went together despite of criticisms like the above, fought together and won the WC and gave themselves a platform to make changes from the inside. Laia A and Lucia had recent interviews detailing their heartbreak of being part of last 15 and being passed over for WC. But look at the team now, everyone has made peace and more united than ever, including Aitana, Laia A and Lucia. The problem with Patri is she's being a hypocrite right now because she's seeing the team is succeeding without her, she thought her values were right and the team will crumble, but the struggles only made the team stronger together - even without Patri. So now she wants in on the success too - which should have been okay IF she wasn't doing all these interviews still shading them. If you want to come back then act like the others did, make peace. The way she's doing it now is just creating tension, all because she can't admit she was wrong.
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Okay but my point is, Patri hasn’t come back. You’re assuming a lot of stuff based off actions she hasn’t even done yet. You don’t know what’s going to happen in the future if she comes back. Same as we didn’t know what Aitana would say until after she came back. I don’t even think Patri is shading them. Her values are her own, and they aren’t right or wrong, because they are things that matter to her. Also pretty sure no one here is on any of their teams, so you don’t know about any tension.
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DA. I think the point is that both she and Mapi could have said that they did not go back because the changes that the RFEF made prior to the WC were not enough for them, they wanted more and left it at that. Instead they made a massive deal of saying that they did not go back because they were unwilling to compromise on their values. Intentionally or not, that does insinuate that they think that the players who did feel like the minimum changes were enough to go back compromised their values. And it’s not like they said it only once.
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That’s just a defensive way of thinking though. People can say they have their own values and if people get defensive about that… I wonder what are they trying to defend
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It’s an opinion, not a defensive way of thinking.