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Manchester City included Leila in a list of their players on international duty, so safe to say that she will be called for the Catalan national team. Pina also said that there would be Barca players called. So, I’m betting that Patri will play. I’m now really curious if she will go back to Spain NT in the next camp. Realistically nothing will have changed between this camp and next. I’m wondering if she just delayed her return to focus on club and to play for the Catalan NT with Leila and Pina, and she’ll miraculously pop up in Spain NT right before the Olympics.

Marta and Gemma are officially called up to the Catalan squad, along with Leila. Barça announced they'll also participate in a friendly vs Paraguay and that's where Pina and Patri will probably join (they weren't called up to the Catalan squad).

While personally I prefer Patri to not come back, I thought since February all signs were pointing to her coming back and joining the Olympics squad. But this recent stupid take from this a-hole will probably put off Patri again as he is directly insulting the las 15 again.

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Manchester City included Leila in a list of their players on international duty, so safe to say that she will be called for the Catalan national team. Pina also said that there would be Barca players called. So, I’m betting that Patri will play. I’m now really curious if she will go back to Spain NT in the next camp. Realistically nothing will have changed between this camp and next. I’m wondering if she just delayed her return to focus on club and to play for the Catalan NT with Leila and Pina, and she’ll miraculously pop up in Spain NT right before the Olympics.

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Does anyone know if Misa and Cardona are still together or have they separated?

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Who’s the better team: 20/21 Barca or 23/24 Barca?

20/21 Barca was more aesthetically pleasing. They just played with such fluidity. When they were on it, they played like Pep’s Barca. When they got stuck though, they really struggled for a plan B. I think that 23/24 Barca are more dull, but also more flexible. They are able to find different ways to win. The football purist in me prefers 20/21 Barca.

20/21 team by far and possibly the best ever team. They would wipe the floor with this current Barca team. They had a proven goal scorer in Jenni and forward line of Jenni, Martens, Alexia that were interchangeable, an Alexia in her prime and on a rampage - pulling the strings, a better defence, better midfield and and team spirit/leadership that would not allow them to be denied. Not to mention quality depth. This current team while still winning are not as strong in defence- Irene and Ona are great but Bronze and Ingrid are liabilities. Midfield lack the drive and steel they would have with prime Alexia, Hamraoui, and a healthy Patri. The frontline lacks a reliable goal scorer. Barca has lacked a reliable goal scorer since Jenni, Martens and AMC. Plus they are a dull team who lack personalities in the squad. The 2020-2021 dominated the top 100 players list with 13. Still waiting to see how this current team responds when they meet a team that will have a go at their defence and when they fall behind if they have what it takes to fight back. I am for sure pullin for them to sweep all challengers but I will always favor the 20-21 team for their beautiful football and glorious personalities.

Agree on the 20/21 team. If they win CL this season , it will be because Chelsea is too tired with too many injured players and Lyon did not show up. Hoping that other Spanish clubs will spend more on players. Getting bored with the lack of competition in Spain

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Who’s the better team: 20/21 Barca or 23/24 Barca?

20/21 Barca was more aesthetically pleasing. They just played with such fluidity. When they were on it, they played like Pep’s Barca. When they got stuck though, they really struggled for a plan B. I think that 23/24 Barca are more dull, but also more flexible. They are able to find different ways to win. The football purist in me prefers 20/21 Barca.

20/21 team by far and possibly the best ever team. They would wipe the floor with this current Barca team. They had a proven goal scorer in Jenni and forward line of Jenni, Martens, Alexia that were interchangeable, an Alexia in her prime and on a rampage - pulling the strings, a better defence, better midfield and and team spirit/leadership that would not allow them to be denied. Not to mention quality depth. This current team while still winning are not as strong in defence- Irene and Ona are great but Bronze and Ingrid are liabilities. Midfield lack the drive and steel they would have with prime Alexia, Hamraoui, and a healthy Patri. The frontline lacks a reliable goal scorer. Barca has lacked a reliable goal scorer since Jenni, Martens and AMC. Plus they are a dull team who lack personalities in the squad. The 2020-2021 dominated the top 100 players list with 13. Still waiting to see how this current team responds when they meet a team that will have a go at their defence and when they fall behind if they have what it takes to fight back. I am for sure pullin for them to sweep all challengers but I will always favor the 20-21 team for their beautiful football and glorious personalities.

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To the 2 newbies above asking about Leila and Salma, for the nth time:

Yes Leila is fam. Currently dating crisklein (a dj?) for years now. Used to date Mariona, then allegedly cheated on her with Misa.

Salma we don't know and not much clues either. Some were theorising she has/had a thing with ex barca b player Ari M, mostly due to social media interactions. But it's been many times now that she called Ari M her "little sister". The other day was Ari's bday and while Salma posted on ig story several sus pics, she quickly shot it down by again calling her little sis LOL

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To the 2 newbies above asking about Leila and Salma, for the nth time:

Yes Leila is fam. Currently dating crisklein (a dj?) for years now. Used to date Mariona, then allegedly cheated on her with Misa.

Salma we don't know and not much clues either. Some were theorising she has/had a thing with ex barca b player Ari M, mostly due to social media interactions. But it's been many times now that she called Ari M her "little sister". The other day was Ari's bday and while Salma posted on ig story several sus pics, she quickly shot it down by again calling her little sis LOL

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So what about this solano girl?
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she was pretty good last season that's why vilda gave her a chance, this season she's been unlucky with injuries but lately getting into form and starting games, she is not a bad player but doesnt have the typical spanish CB profile she's more the old school type (kinda slow but good on box defending, very physical, decent on the air, struggles a bit with the ball on her feet) so i dont think she was ever gonna have a fair chance with spain

So a leftover … lol

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So what about this solano girl?
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she was pretty good last season that's why vilda gave her a chance, this season she's been unlucky with injuries but lately getting into form and starting games, she is not a bad player but doesnt have the typical spanish CB profile she's more the old school type (kinda slow but good on box defending, very physical, decent on the air, struggles a bit with the ball on her feet) so i dont think she was ever gonna have a fair chance with spain

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So what about this solano girl?
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I miss mapi

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This is Jana's fav day of the year, she's such a fan of Chiara
Also Alexia telling her that they were huge fans, I bet the little ones couldn't stop talking about her hahaha

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This is Jana's fav day of the year, she's such a fan of Chiara
Also Alexia telling her that they were huge fans, I bet the little ones couldn't stop talking about her hahaha

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DA. I think the point is that both she and Mapi could have said that they did not go back because the changes that the RFEF made prior to the WC were not enough for them, they wanted more and left it at that. Instead they made a massive deal of saying that they did not go back because they were unwilling to compromise on their values. Intentionally or not, that does insinuate that they think that the players who did feel like the minimum changes were enough to go back compromised their values. And it’s not like they said it only once.

That’s just a defensive way of thinking though. People can say they have their own values and if people get defensive about that… I wonder what are they trying to defend

It’s an opinion, not a defensive way of thinking.

It’s an opinion and it’s defensive. Defending something because you think that someone saying something that is good (having values) about themself, insinuates that someone else doesn’t have values (not a good thing).

It’s like saying “I’m a good football player” and everyone assuming that means I’m saying everyone else is not a good football player.

That’s a bullshit analogy and you know it. It’s nothing like the situation where they are asked why didn’t they go back when their teammates did. In that specific scenario, if the answer is that you have values, it can definitely be seen as insinuating that the players who went back have no values. Whereas if the answer was that the changes made weren’t enough for them, well that doesn’t insinuate anything about the other players.

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Okay but my point is, Patri hasn’t come back. You’re assuming a lot of stuff based off actions she hasn’t even done yet. You don’t know what’s going to happen in the future if she comes back. Same as we didn’t know what Aitana would say until after she came back. I don’t even think Patri is shading them. Her values are her own, and they aren’t right or wrong, because they are things that matter to her. Also pretty sure no one here is on any of their teams, so you don’t know about any tension.

DA. I think the point is that both she and Mapi could have said that they did not go back because the changes that the RFEF made prior to the WC were not enough for them, they wanted more and left it at that. Instead they made a massive deal of saying that they did not go back because they were unwilling to compromise on their values. Intentionally or not, that does insinuate that they think that the players who did feel like the minimum changes were enough to go back compromised their values. And it’s not like they said it only once.

That’s just a defensive way of thinking though. People can say they have their own values and if people get defensive about that… I wonder what are they trying to defend

It’s an opinion, not a defensive way of thinking.

It’s an opinion and it’s defensive. Defending something because you think that someone saying something that is good (having values) about themself, insinuates that someone else doesn’t have values (not a good thing).

It’s like saying “I’m a good football player” and everyone assuming that means I’m saying everyone else is not a good football player.

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x2 exactly. The difference is Aitana was able to recognize when she made a wrong strategy, made peace with herself and her teammates and then went together despite of criticisms like the above, fought together and won the WC and gave themselves a platform to make changes from the inside. Laia A and Lucia had recent interviews detailing their heartbreak of being part of last 15 and being passed over for WC. But look at the team now, everyone has made peace and more united than ever, including Aitana, Laia A and Lucia. The problem with Patri is she's being a hypocrite right now because she's seeing the team is succeeding without her, she thought her values were right and the team will crumble, but the struggles only made the team stronger together - even without Patri. So now she wants in on the success too - which should have been okay IF she wasn't doing all these interviews still shading them. If you want to come back then act like the others did, make peace. The way she's doing it now is just creating tension, all because she can't admit she was wrong.

Okay but my point is, Patri hasn’t come back. You’re assuming a lot of stuff based off actions she hasn’t even done yet. You don’t know what’s going to happen in the future if she comes back. Same as we didn’t know what Aitana would say until after she came back. I don’t even think Patri is shading them. Her values are her own, and they aren’t right or wrong, because they are things that matter to her. Also pretty sure no one here is on any of their teams, so you don’t know about any tension.

DA. I think the point is that both she and Mapi could have said that they did not go back because the changes that the RFEF made prior to the WC were not enough for them, they wanted more and left it at that. Instead they made a massive deal of saying that they did not go back because they were unwilling to compromise on their values. Intentionally or not, that does insinuate that they think that the players who did feel like the minimum changes were enough to go back compromised their values. And it’s not like they said it only once.

That’s just a defensive way of thinking though. People can say they have their own values and if people get defensive about that… I wonder what are they trying to defend

It’s an opinion, not a defensive way of thinking.

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Aitana may have had selfish reasons for going back, but she opened a dialogue with the RFEF, and said that the changes that they made prior to the WC (travel conditions, allowance for family travel) were enough for her to go back and continue to push for more change from within. Basically she accepted that Las 15 strategy was wrong and wasn’t too stubborn to move on from it. She also made her peace with the players who hadn’t been part of Las 15 and seems to have integrated well back into the locker room. I don’t remember her giving multiple interviews preaching about her values before all that, which probably helped her reintegration. And she did face up to the media when she returned and explained why she returned, which is more than Alexia did, who completely boycotted her media duties until they won the WC because she knew that no one would ask her then why she went back. Aitana may not have done everything perfectly, but she’s not a coward.

x2 exactly. The difference is Aitana was able to recognize when she made a wrong strategy, made peace with herself and her teammates and then went together despite of criticisms like the above, fought together and won the WC and gave themselves a platform to make changes from the inside. Laia A and Lucia had recent interviews detailing their heartbreak of being part of last 15 and being passed over for WC. But look at the team now, everyone has made peace and more united than ever, including Aitana, Laia A and Lucia. The problem with Patri is she's being a hypocrite right now because she's seeing the team is succeeding without her, she thought her values were right and the team will crumble, but the struggles only made the team stronger together - even without Patri. So now she wants in on the success too - which should have been okay IF she wasn't doing all these interviews still shading them. If you want to come back then act like the others did, make peace. The way she's doing it now is just creating tension, all because she can't admit she was wrong.

Okay but my point is, Patri hasn’t come back. You’re assuming a lot of stuff based off actions she hasn’t even done yet. You don’t know what’s going to happen in the future if she comes back. Same as we didn’t know what Aitana would say until after she came back. I don’t even think Patri is shading them. Her values are her own, and they aren’t right or wrong, because they are things that matter to her. Also pretty sure no one here is on any of their teams, so you don’t know about any tension.

DA. I think the point is that both she and Mapi could have said that they did not go back because the changes that the RFEF made prior to the WC were not enough for them, they wanted more and left it at that. Instead they made a massive deal of saying that they did not go back because they were unwilling to compromise on their values. Intentionally or not, that does insinuate that they think that the players who did feel like the minimum changes were enough to go back compromised their values. And it’s not like they said it only once.

That’s just a defensive way of thinking though. People can say they have their own values and if people get defensive about that… I wonder what are they trying to defend

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Who’s the better team: 20/21 Barca or 23/24 Barca?

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Okay so isn’t that exactly what Aitana did? Or any of the other las15 that made themselves available again? Waltz out and then waltz backed in without saying anything to their intentions?

Aitana may have had selfish reasons for going back, but she opened a dialogue with the RFEF, and said that the changes that they made prior to the WC (travel conditions, allowance for family travel) were enough for her to go back and continue to push for more change from within. Basically she accepted that Las 15 strategy was wrong and wasn’t too stubborn to move on from it. She also made her peace with the players who hadn’t been part of Las 15 and seems to have integrated well back into the locker room. I don’t remember her giving multiple interviews preaching about her values before all that, which probably helped her reintegration. And she did face up to the media when she returned and explained why she returned, which is more than Alexia did, who completely boycotted her media duties until they won the WC because she knew that no one would ask her then why she went back. Aitana may not have done everything perfectly, but she’s not a coward.

x2 exactly. The difference is Aitana was able to recognize when she made a wrong strategy, made peace with herself and her teammates and then went together despite of criticisms like the above, fought together and won the WC and gave themselves a platform to make changes from the inside. Laia A and Lucia had recent interviews detailing their heartbreak of being part of last 15 and being passed over for WC. But look at the team now, everyone has made peace and more united than ever, including Aitana, Laia A and Lucia. The problem with Patri is she's being a hypocrite right now because she's seeing the team is succeeding without her, she thought her values were right and the team will crumble, but the struggles only made the team stronger together - even without Patri. So now she wants in on the success too - which should have been okay IF she wasn't doing all these interviews still shading them. If you want to come back then act like the others did, make peace. The way she's doing it now is just creating tension, all because she can't admit she was wrong.

Okay but my point is, Patri hasn’t come back. You’re assuming a lot of stuff based off actions she hasn’t even done yet. You don’t know what’s going to happen in the future if she comes back. Same as we didn’t know what Aitana would say until after she came back. I don’t even think Patri is shading them. Her values are her own, and they aren’t right or wrong, because they are things that matter to her. Also pretty sure no one here is on any of their teams, so you don’t know about any tension.

DA. I think the point is that both she and Mapi could have said that they did not go back because the changes that the RFEF made prior to the WC were not enough for them, they wanted more and left it at that. Instead they made a massive deal of saying that they did not go back because they were unwilling to compromise on their values. Intentionally or not, that does insinuate that they think that the players who did feel like the minimum changes were enough to go back compromised their values. And it’s not like they said it only once.

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If Bonmati continues this form and wins everything with Barca and Spain (NL & Olympics) does she over take CGH in Ballon D'or race?

Football is a team sport, and actually winning the titles (UWCL, Nations League and Olympics) is far more important. People need to stop putting so much importance or relevance into individual awards.

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If Bonmati continues this form and wins everything with Barca and Spain (NL & Olympics) does she over take CGH in Ballon D'or race?

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Who’s the better team: 20/21 Barca or 23/24 Barca?

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Okay so isn’t that exactly what Aitana did? Or any of the other las15 that made themselves available again? Waltz out and then waltz backed in without saying anything to their intentions?

Aitana may have had selfish reasons for going back, but she opened a dialogue with the RFEF, and said that the changes that they made prior to the WC (travel conditions, allowance for family travel) were enough for her to go back and continue to push for more change from within. Basically she accepted that Las 15 strategy was wrong and wasn’t too stubborn to move on from it. She also made her peace with the players who hadn’t been part of Las 15 and seems to have integrated well back into the locker room. I don’t remember her giving multiple interviews preaching about her values before all that, which probably helped her reintegration. And she did face up to the media when she returned and explained why she returned, which is more than Alexia did, who completely boycotted her media duties until they won the WC because she knew that no one would ask her then why she went back. Aitana may not have done everything perfectly, but she’s not a coward.

x2 exactly. The difference is Aitana was able to recognize when she made a wrong strategy, made peace with herself and her teammates and then went together despite of criticisms like the above, fought together and won the WC and gave themselves a platform to make changes from the inside. Laia A and Lucia had recent interviews detailing their heartbreak of being part of last 15 and being passed over for WC. But look at the team now, everyone has made peace and more united than ever, including Aitana, Laia A and Lucia. The problem with Patri is she's being a hypocrite right now because she's seeing the team is succeeding without her, she thought her values were right and the team will crumble, but the struggles only made the team stronger together - even without Patri. So now she wants in on the success too - which should have been okay IF she wasn't doing all these interviews still shading them. If you want to come back then act like the others did, make peace. The way she's doing it now is just creating tension, all because she can't admit she was wrong.

Okay but my point is, Patri hasn’t come back. You’re assuming a lot of stuff based off actions she hasn’t even done yet. You don’t know what’s going to happen in the future if she comes back. Same as we didn’t know what Aitana would say until after she came back. I don’t even think Patri is shading them. Her values are her own, and they aren’t right or wrong, because they are things that matter to her. Also pretty sure no one here is on any of their teams, so you don’t know about any tension.

DA. I think the point is that both she and Mapi could have said that they did not go back because the changes that the RFEF made prior to the WC were not enough for them, they wanted more and left it at that. Instead they made a massive deal of saying that they did not go back because they were unwilling to compromise on their values. Intentionally or not, that does insinuate that they think that the players who did feel like the minimum changes were enough to go back compromised their values. And it’s not like they said it only once.

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Okay so just to recap, Mapi and Patri acknowledged the agreements for changes to come during Oliva talks but they still walked away because they did not like how they were called up with threat of sanction. But didn't they also already addressed the changes to be made to that national call up sanction? i think there were moves being made already to get rid of that law or something and shouldn't be an issue anymore?
And now we know Markel has been talking to Patri and the others to come back. Patri has been on a PR roll lately, seems she's really trying to set the stage for her come back to NT. Which ok fine, but why does she have to give those low-key snarky remarks about her teammates lately? The NT squad has moved on and able to settle their differences to play and win 2 titles now. She's trying to come into the picture now while making those snarks and creating tension again. I don't know, I just feel like she can't just waltz in anytime she likes and leave them hanging anytime she doesn't want to stick by them.

Okay so isn’t that exactly what Aitana did? Or any of the other las15 that made themselves available again? Waltz out and then waltz backed in without saying anything to their intentions?

Aitana may have had selfish reasons for going back, but she opened a dialogue with the RFEF, and said that the changes that they made prior to the WC (travel conditions, allowance for family travel) were enough for her to go back and continue to push for more change from within. Basically she accepted that Las 15 strategy was wrong and wasn’t too stubborn to move on from it. She also made her peace with the players who hadn’t been part of Las 15 and seems to have integrated well back into the locker room. I don’t remember her giving multiple interviews preaching about her values before all that, which probably helped her reintegration. And she did face up to the media when she returned and explained why she returned, which is more than Alexia did, who completely boycotted her media duties until they won the WC because she knew that no one would ask her then why she went back. Aitana may not have done everything perfectly, but she’s not a coward.

x2 exactly. The difference is Aitana was able to recognize when she made a wrong strategy, made peace with herself and her teammates and then went together despite of criticisms like the above, fought together and won the WC and gave themselves a platform to make changes from the inside. Laia A and Lucia had recent interviews detailing their heartbreak of being part of last 15 and being passed over for WC. But look at the team now, everyone has made peace and more united than ever, including Aitana, Laia A and Lucia. The problem with Patri is she's being a hypocrite right now because she's seeing the team is succeeding without her, she thought her values were right and the team will crumble, but the struggles only made the team stronger together - even without Patri. So now she wants in on the success too - which should have been okay IF she wasn't doing all these interviews still shading them. If you want to come back then act like the others did, make peace. The way she's doing it now is just creating tension, all because she can't admit she was wrong.

Okay but my point is, Patri hasn’t come back. You’re assuming a lot of stuff based off actions she hasn’t even done yet. You don’t know what’s going to happen in the future if she comes back. Same as we didn’t know what Aitana would say until after she came back. I don’t even think Patri is shading them. Her values are her own, and they aren’t right or wrong, because they are things that matter to her. Also pretty sure no one here is on any of their teams, so you don’t know about any tension.

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Nobody has forgotten those things. An institution as chronically corrupt and misogynistic as the RFEF does not change overnight. The players have said that progress is very slow, but moving in the right direction. Those players are showing up and continue to fight for those changes from within, and are being the best team in the world on the pitch while they’re at it.

Okay so just to recap, Mapi and Patri acknowledged the agreements for changes to come during Oliva talks but they still walked away because they did not like how they were called up with threat of sanction. But didn't they also already addressed the changes to be made to that national call up sanction? i think there were moves being made already to get rid of that law or something and shouldn't be an issue anymore?
And now we know Markel has been talking to Patri and the others to come back. Patri has been on a PR roll lately, seems she's really trying to set the stage for her come back to NT. Which ok fine, but why does she have to give those low-key snarky remarks about her teammates lately? The NT squad has moved on and able to settle their differences to play and win 2 titles now. She's trying to come into the picture now while making those snarks and creating tension again. I don't know, I just feel like she can't just waltz in anytime she likes and leave them hanging anytime she doesn't want to stick by them.

Okay so isn’t that exactly what Aitana did? Or any of the other las15 that made themselves available again? Waltz out and then waltz backed in without saying anything to their intentions?

Aitana may have had selfish reasons for going back, but she opened a dialogue with the RFEF, and said that the changes that they made prior to the WC (travel conditions, allowance for family travel) were enough for her to go back and continue to push for more change from within. Basically she accepted that Las 15 strategy was wrong and wasn’t too stubborn to move on from it. She also made her peace with the players who hadn’t been part of Las 15 and seems to have integrated well back into the locker room. I don’t remember her giving multiple interviews preaching about her values before all that, which probably helped her reintegration. And she did face up to the media when she returned and explained why she returned, which is more than Alexia did, who completely boycotted her media duties until they won the WC because she knew that no one would ask her then why she went back. Aitana may not have done everything perfectly, but she’s not a coward.

x2 exactly. The difference is Aitana was able to recognize when she made a wrong strategy, made peace with herself and her teammates and then went together despite of criticisms like the above, fought together and won the WC and gave themselves a platform to make changes from the inside. Laia A and Lucia had recent interviews detailing their heartbreak of being part of last 15 and being passed over for WC. But look at the team now, everyone has made peace and more united than ever, including Aitana, Laia A and Lucia. The problem with Patri is she's being a hypocrite right now because she's seeing the team is succeeding without her, she thought her values were right and the team will crumble, but the struggles only made the team stronger together - even without Patri. So now she wants in on the success too - which should have been okay IF she wasn't doing all these interviews still shading them. If you want to come back then act like the others did, make peace. The way she's doing it now is just creating tension, all because she can't admit she was wrong.

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DA. That's your interpretation, not something they've said.

And every nt break since oliva has had problems, all the Alexia drama made people forget that the federation didn't even sign a contract and had to change stadium 2 weeks before the game when some fans had already bought tickets and hotel rooms, previous break second half started with 2 less players on the other one they fuced up with the convo list and players couldn't play (including what would have been Paredes 100th cap). It seems that either there are still people with power on the rfef wanting to boycott the women's team or that they don't care and put incompetent people to work with them

Nobody has forgotten those things. An institution as chronically corrupt and misogynistic as the RFEF does not change overnight. The players have said that progress is very slow, but moving in the right direction. Those players are showing up and continue to fight for those changes from within, and are being the best team in the world on the pitch while they’re at it.

Okay so just to recap, Mapi and Patri acknowledged the agreements for changes to come during Oliva talks but they still walked away because they did not like how they were called up with threat of sanction. But didn't they also already addressed the changes to be made to that national call up sanction? i think there were moves being made already to get rid of that law or something and shouldn't be an issue anymore?
And now we know Markel has been talking to Patri and the others to come back. Patri has been on a PR roll lately, seems she's really trying to set the stage for her come back to NT. Which ok fine, but why does she have to give those low-key snarky remarks about her teammates lately? The NT squad has moved on and able to settle their differences to play and win 2 titles now. She's trying to come into the picture now while making those snarks and creating tension again. I don't know, I just feel like she can't just waltz in anytime she likes and leave them hanging anytime she doesn't want to stick by them.

Okay so isn’t that exactly what Aitana did? Or any of the other las15 that made themselves available again? Waltz out and then waltz backed in without saying anything to their intentions?

Aitana may have had selfish reasons for going back, but she opened a dialogue with the RFEF, and said that the changes that they made prior to the WC (travel conditions, allowance for family travel) were enough for her to go back and continue to push for more change from within. Basically she accepted that Las 15 strategy was wrong and wasn’t too stubborn to move on from it. She also made her peace with the players who hadn’t been part of Las 15 and seems to have integrated well back into the locker room. I don’t remember her giving multiple interviews preaching about her values before all that, which probably helped her reintegration. And she did face up to the media when she returned and explained why she returned, which is more than Alexia did, who completely boycotted her media duties until they won the WC because she knew that no one would ask her then why she went back. Aitana may not have done everything perfectly, but she’s not a coward.

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How Mapi and Patri were summoned to that camp was no different to how the rest of the players were summoned. The rest of the players stuck it out and worked for change though.

Also, no one is pitting the players against each other, just pointing out who is actually working to achieve change and who is sitting at home doing nothing to progress change while whinging to the media about their values, which is essentially saying that their teammates have no values because they played in a World Cup.

DA. That's your interpretation, not something they've said.

And every nt break since oliva has had problems, all the Alexia drama made people forget that the federation didn't even sign a contract and had to change stadium 2 weeks before the game when some fans had already bought tickets and hotel rooms, previous break second half started with 2 less players on the other one they fuced up with the convo list and players couldn't play (including what would have been Paredes 100th cap). It seems that either there are still people with power on the rfef wanting to boycott the women's team or that they don't care and put incompetent people to work with them

Nobody has forgotten those things. An institution as chronically corrupt and misogynistic as the RFEF does not change overnight. The players have said that progress is very slow, but moving in the right direction. Those players are showing up and continue to fight for those changes from within, and are being the best team in the world on the pitch while they’re at it.

Okay so just to recap, Mapi and Patri acknowledged the agreements for changes to come during Oliva talks but they still walked away because they did not like how they were called up with threat of sanction. But didn't they also already addressed the changes to be made to that national call up sanction? i think there were moves being made already to get rid of that law or something and shouldn't be an issue anymore?
And now we know Markel has been talking to Patri and the others to come back. Patri has been on a PR roll lately, seems she's really trying to set the stage for her come back to NT. Which ok fine, but why does she have to give those low-key snarky remarks about her teammates lately? The NT squad has moved on and able to settle their differences to play and win 2 titles now. She's trying to come into the picture now while making those snarks and creating tension again. I don't know, I just feel like she can't just waltz in anytime she likes and leave them hanging anytime she doesn't want to stick by them.

Okay so isn’t that exactly what Aitana did? Or any of the other las15 that made themselves available again? Waltz out and then waltz backed in without saying anything to their intentions?

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Didn’t Irene say their (Mapi and Patri) situation was different? Idk why some of you are hell bent on pinning the players against each other still. Stop glorifying some over the others. Mapi and Patri weren’t asked nicely to come back to the NT, they were forced out of threat of sanction. My mental health would be terrible in that situation. It’s really toxic that you think we should be forcing players to just show up. The fact that RFEF has the threat of sanction in their rules is wild enough to know this isn’t the fault of any of the players.

How Mapi and Patri were summoned to that camp was no different to how the rest of the players were summoned. The rest of the players stuck it out and worked for change though.

Also, no one is pitting the players against each other, just pointing out who is actually working to achieve change and who is sitting at home doing nothing to progress change while whinging to the media about their values, which is essentially saying that their teammates have no values because they played in a World Cup.

DA. That's your interpretation, not something they've said.

And every nt break since oliva has had problems, all the Alexia drama made people forget that the federation didn't even sign a contract and had to change stadium 2 weeks before the game when some fans had already bought tickets and hotel rooms, previous break second half started with 2 less players on the other one they fuced up with the convo list and players couldn't play (including what would have been Paredes 100th cap). It seems that either there are still people with power on the rfef wanting to boycott the women's team or that they don't care and put incompetent people to work with them

Nobody has forgotten those things. An institution as chronically corrupt and misogynistic as the RFEF does not change overnight. The players have said that progress is very slow, but moving in the right direction. Those players are showing up and continue to fight for those changes from within, and are being the best team in the world on the pitch while they’re at it.

Okay so just to recap, Mapi and Patri acknowledged the agreements for changes to come during Oliva talks but they still walked away because they did not like how they were called up with threat of sanction. But didn't they also already addressed the changes to be made to that national call up sanction? i think there were moves being made already to get rid of that law or something and shouldn't be an issue anymore?
And now we know Markel has been talking to Patri and the others to come back. Patri has been on a PR roll lately, seems she's really trying to set the stage for her come back to NT. Which ok fine, but why does she have to give those low-key snarky remarks about her teammates lately? The NT squad has moved on and able to settle their differences to play and win 2 titles now. She's trying to come into the picture now while making those snarks and creating tension again. I don't know, I just feel like she can't just waltz in anytime she likes and leave them hanging anytime she doesn't want to stick by them.

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DA. That's your interpretation, not something they've said.

And every nt break since oliva has had problems, all the Alexia drama made people forget that the federation didn't even sign a contract and had to change stadium 2 weeks before the game when some fans had already bought tickets and hotel rooms, previous break second half started with 2 less players on the other one they fuced up with the convo list and players couldn't play (including what would have been Paredes 100th cap). It seems that either there are still people with power on the rfef wanting to boycott the women's team or that they don't care and put incompetent people to work with them

Nobody has forgotten those things. An institution as chronically corrupt and misogynistic as the RFEF does not change overnight. The players have said that progress is very slow, but moving in the right direction. Those players are showing up and continue to fight for those changes from within, and are being the best team in the world on the pitch while they’re at it.

Okay so just to recap, Mapi and Patri acknowledged the agreements for changes to come during Oliva talks but they still walked away because they did not like how they were called up with threat of sanction. But didn't they also already addressed the changes to be made to that national call up sanction? i think there were moves being made already to get rid of that law or something and shouldn't be an issue anymore?
And now we know Markel has been talking to Patri and the others to come back. Patri has been on a PR roll lately, seems she's really trying to set the stage for her come back to NT. Which ok fine, but why does she have to give those low-key snarky remarks about her teammates lately? The NT squad has moved on and able to settle their differences to play and win 2 titles now. She's trying to come into the picture now while making those snarks and creating tension again. I don't know, I just feel like she can't just waltz in anytime she likes and leave them hanging anytime she doesn't want to stick by them.

As far as I remember, Mapi and Patri suggested that they would not come back until all of the changes were actually made, that an agreement to change was not enough. I say suggested, because I don’t think that they stated that explicitly, but I don’t remember for sure. They have not been clear on what it is that they actually want through this entire process. Now, Patri is definitely making moves to come back. All of the changes are not made. Both Markel and Jenni said that in the mixed zone at the recent camp. Markel specified that some things cannot happen until after the elections, and Jenni just said that progress was very slow but was moving in the right direction. So, why is Patri coming back? Well, she can see that this team is capable of winning despite everything around them. They have a great chance to win the Olympics and the Euros, and I guess that she doesn’t want to miss out again.

Have to admit that I’ve never liked Mapi, and I think that the NT locker room is probably better off without her. I used to like Patri, but have completely lost respect for her for how she’s treated her colleagues on this one. Especially if she just turns around and comes back now after everything. I also think that she influenced Pina, who is a young player without the NT status that Mapi and Patri had. I can see Pina being left without a senior NT career completely.

Yeah that's what I'm not understanding with what Patri is setting up here. I think you're right that Mapi and Patri stated that they're not coming back until all changes are done and not just in words. So i guess that's my question really now, Patri is so big about her values and not coming back at that time, but now she wants to come back even if the changes she demanded aren't done yet? Contradicting no? Add to that she made those shady comments about teammates being selfish and it's just so ironic because we all see what's she's trying to do now LOL Like stay true to your word and your supposed values girl and don't come back until all changes are done. Her teammates stick with each other and sacrificed their reputation and ended up winning, enabling them to make changes from the inside. Patri should also stick with her decision and face its consequences and as per her values, only come back when all changes are done.