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What do you guys think of jiminjeong/winrina? Youtube has been recommending me a lot of their videos lately and I didn't know they had lots of special moments together.
They don't, not really. Shippers just take every single thing they do and put it slow mo to make it meaningful.

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What do you guys think of jiminjeong/winrina? Youtube has been recommending me a lot of their videos lately and I didn't know they had lots of special moments together.
I think they’re friends and wouldn’t say they have “special moments” any more than any other members.

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15 Jan 2022, 12:20
What do you guys think of jiminjeong/winrina? Youtube has been recommending me a lot of their videos lately and I didn't know they had lots of special moments together.
I have a feeling Karina has a tiny crush on Winter :nails: But other than that I guess they're mostly just friends.

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15 Jan 2022, 22:35
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What do you guys think of jiminjeong/winrina? Youtube has been recommending me a lot of their videos lately and I didn't know they had lots of special moments together.
I have a feeling Karina has a tiny crush on Winter :nails: But other than that I guess they're mostly just friends.
Da

As someone who just casually checks up on aespa and has a working gaydar, yeah, i too think she got a slight crush on her.

She is sweet to all of them but you can clearly see her fondness for Winter is different. Then i just found out her female ideal type and it all makes sense lol

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Karina asking out & flirting with girls since middle school :spy:

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15 Jan 2022, 22:35
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What do you guys think of jiminjeong/winrina? Youtube has been recommending me a lot of their videos lately and I didn't know they had lots of special moments together.
I have a feeling Karina has a tiny crush on Winter :nails: But other than that I guess they're mostly just friends.
Da

As someone who just casually checks up on aespa and has a working gaydar, yeah, i too think she got a slight crush on her.

She is sweet to all of them but you can clearly see her fondness for Winter is different. Then i just found out her female ideal type and it all makes sense lol
Yeah she probably has a bit of crush but won't act on it because they're idols and they're still rookies. *Sigh

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Karina asking out & flirting with girls since middle school :spy:
Im not kidding when I say that Karina really likes girls, like REALLY REALLY like them.

Im a lesbian but im not as women obsessed as she is. She hits on every pretty woman that she sees lol it's amazing :rofl:

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I am from the future, this thread will be very popular for next 7 years. It will have hundreds of pages. Eventually L-chat will determine all members are gay and they will have many ships, but Karina will remain L-chat fave. None of the girls will come out. But L-chat will love them a lot. After disbanding of Blackpink & Twice aespa will be the top group and gain worldwide popularity. And L-chat will be happy. :dance2:
L-chat will also like their music and do lots of speculation on the girls gay interactions with friends, stylists and other girls in members life. :nails:

Karina LEZ, WInter LGBT, Gay Giselle :heart:

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Karina asking out & flirting with girls since middle school :spy:

She's so sweet.

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She's so cute :dramaqueen: I don't know about the third one


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Karina reminds me so much of Irene. Always praising women while shrugging men off. No wonder Klesbians seem to love her :rofl:

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16 Jan 2022, 14:44
Karina reminds me so much of Irene. Always praising women while shrugging men off. No wonder Klesbians seem to love her :rofl:
Pretty much :lol:

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Karina reminds me so much of Irene. Always praising women while shrugging men off. No wonder Klesbians seem to love her :rofl:
Pretty much :lol:
i just love how the gays just claimed her lol

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Karina reminds me so much of Irene. Always praising women while shrugging men off. No wonder Klesbians seem to love her :rofl:
Pretty much :lol:
i just love how the gays just claimed her lol
Karina is for women, everybody knows that 008

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16 Jan 2022, 12:31
She's so cute :dramaqueen: I don't know about the third one

i cant understand korean so im just talking out my ass here lol but i assume the third one is about not spending money carelessly?

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Karina reminds me so much of Irene. Always praising women while shrugging men off. No wonder Klesbians seem to love her :rofl:
Pretty much :lol:
i just love how the gays just claimed her lol
Da

I think it is because she shows no interest in men at all. Even on her askfm, she shuts down any questions about men.

Sure she revealed her male ideal type but that was once before predebut and knowing how kpop works, every idol is asked about their ideal type, even Moonbyul had that BS male ideal type answer before.

The fact that even her classmate said Karina likes girls so much just sealed the deal, so we claim her as ours :rofl: just like how we claim Irene as ours too

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17 Jan 2022, 00:24
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16 Jan 2022, 15:59
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16 Jan 2022, 15:11
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16 Jan 2022, 14:44
Karina reminds me so much of Irene. Always praising women while shrugging men off. No wonder Klesbians seem to love her :rofl:
Pretty much :lol:
i just love how the gays just claimed her lol
Da I think it is because she shows no interest in men at all. Even on her askfm, she shuts down any questions about men.

Sure she revealed her male ideal type but that was once before predebut and knowing how kpop works, every idol is asked about their ideal type, even Moonbyul had that BS male ideal type answer before.

The fact that even her classmate said Karina likes girls so much just sealed the deal, so we claim her as ours :rofl: just like how we claim Irene as ours too
Da I haven't seen any kmys claim she's gay (or maybe I could have missed it) but it's a bit obvious why women like her that much, girl got everything (nice body, pretty face, nice personality, super sweet and a gg stan :lol: ) She also got this elegant, mature and very attractive aura so the deal is sealed for many of us :$ I'm stanning her gay or not

There is a meme that kmys use (i can't find it), this pic but with kar as the fiance :lol:
[spoiler]Image[/spoiler]


How can't you not love her? :dramaqueen:

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Just another day of Karina going out of her way to compliment women

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Just another day of Karina going out of her way to compliment women
I can't see the picture :dramaqueen:

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17 Jan 2022, 01:39
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im sorry here's the pic lol. I think the question here was "what is Giselle's strength" and only karina had a different answer

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https://ibb.co/jzGLM3h
im sorry here's the pic lol. I think the question here was "what is Giselle's strength" and only karina had a different answer
As expected of Rina :$

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im sorry here's the pic lol. I think the question here was "what is Giselle's strength" and only karina had a different answer
Yes, she goes out of her way to compliment the rest of members or basically everyone lol I haven't met another woman who compliments other women that much like Karina and it's not your usual straight woman compliment like "your dress is so cute" she gets extra :lol:

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17 Jan 2022, 01:43
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https://ibb.co/jzGLM3h
im sorry here's the pic lol. I think the question here was "what is Giselle's strength" and only karina had a different answer
This was so sweet of her, i don't know she was trying to be supportive with other women or Karina being Karina :lol:

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17 Jan 2022, 02:16
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17 Jan 2022, 01:43
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17 Jan 2022, 01:39
https://ibb.co/jzGLM3h
im sorry here's the pic lol. I think the question here was "what is Giselle's strength" and only karina had a different answer
This was so sweet of her, i don't know she was trying to be supportive with other women or Karina being Karina :lol:

Image
Da

Didnt a classmate say that she knows the names of the pretty girls in their school? And she would often give them letters and small gifts?

She got more game than me :dramaqueen:

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17 Jan 2022, 02:23
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17 Jan 2022, 02:16
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17 Jan 2022, 01:43
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17 Jan 2022, 01:39
https://ibb.co/jzGLM3h
im sorry here's the pic lol. I think the question here was "what is Giselle's strength" and only karina had a different answer
This was so sweet of her, i don't know she was trying to be supportive with other women or Karina being Karina :lol:

Image
Da

Didnt a classmate say that she knows the names of the pretty girls in their school? And she would often give them letters and small gifts?

She got more game than me :dramaqueen:
She was already very flirty as teen, I can't imagine how much she's now, maybe she calmed down a bit :lol:

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17 Jan 2022, 02:29
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17 Jan 2022, 02:23
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17 Jan 2022, 02:16
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17 Jan 2022, 01:43
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17 Jan 2022, 01:39
https://ibb.co/jzGLM3h
im sorry here's the pic lol. I think the question here was "what is Giselle's strength" and only karina had a different answer
This was so sweet of her, i don't know she was trying to be supportive with other women or Karina being Karina :lol:

Image
Da

Didnt a classmate say that she knows the names of the pretty girls in their school? And she would often give them letters and small gifts?

She got more game than me :dramaqueen:
She was already very flirty as teen, I can't imagine how much she's now, maybe she calmed down a bit :lol:
Da

Probably not. I mean a few weeks ago she was just gushing about Yeji. She posted their pictures on bubble out of the blue and told fans how much she likes her.

Karina even asked her out that Yeji had to post about it on bubble cuz she didnt know what to do lmao

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Winrina supporting taeyeon new song, as expected :lol:




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Karina fav actresses


I think we can rule her out as lesbian definitely, no way you will catch me calling a man pretty 008

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It's interesting that she likes shin sekyung. She keeps getting criticised for being a pretty face with poor acting skills.
Although I disagree, and I like her too.
I think we can rule her out as lesbian definitely, no way you will catch me calling a man pretty
Not very shocking. Lesbians are pretty rare, sadly.

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17 Jan 2022, 15:06
It's interesting that she likes shin sekyung. She keeps getting criticised for being a pretty face with poor acting skills.
Although I disagree, and I like her too.
I think we can rule her out as lesbian definitely, no way you will catch me calling a man pretty
Not very shocking. Lesbians are pretty rare, sadly.
The good thing is:
-She expressly said she was gonna watch the show with shin min ah so I'm gonna assume one of the reasons (or the only reason) she's watching the show is for her lol
-She only listed her fav actresses, no sign of men list (so far)
-She included shin min to call her pretty but this is expected from Karina :lol:

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17 Jan 2022, 15:16
Guest wrote:
17 Jan 2022, 15:06
It's interesting that she likes shin sekyung. She keeps getting criticised for being a pretty face with poor acting skills.
Although I disagree, and I like her too.
I think we can rule her out as lesbian definitely, no way you will catch me calling a man pretty
Not very shocking. Lesbians are pretty rare, sadly.
The good thing is:
-She expressly said she was gonna watch the show with shin min ah so I'm gonna assume one of the reasons (or the only reason) she's watching the show is for her lol
-She only listed her fav actresses, no sign of men list (so far)
-She included shin min to call her pretty but this is expected from Karina :lol:
Oh that reminds me! If it's the show with shin mina and that dude then it's the one with a lesbian substory!

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17 Jan 2022, 15:18
Guest wrote:
17 Jan 2022, 15:16
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17 Jan 2022, 15:06
It's interesting that she likes shin sekyung. She keeps getting criticised for being a pretty face with poor acting skills.
Although I disagree, and I like her too.
I think we can rule her out as lesbian definitely, no way you will catch me calling a man pretty
Not very shocking. Lesbians are pretty rare, sadly.
The good thing is:
-She expressly said she was gonna watch the show with shin min ah so I'm gonna assume one of the reasons (or the only reason) she's watching the show is for her lol
-She only listed her fav actresses, no sign of men list (so far)
-She included shin min to call her pretty but this is expected from Karina :lol:
Oh that reminds me! If it's the show with shin mina and that dude then it's the one with a lesbian substory!
Hometown Cha-cha-cha??

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Guest wrote:
17 Jan 2022, 15:21
Guest wrote:
17 Jan 2022, 15:18
Guest wrote:
17 Jan 2022, 15:16
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17 Jan 2022, 15:06
It's interesting that she likes shin sekyung. She keeps getting criticised for being a pretty face with poor acting skills.
Although I disagree, and I like her too.
I think we can rule her out as lesbian definitely, no way you will catch me calling a man pretty
Not very shocking. Lesbians are pretty rare, sadly.
The good thing is:
-She expressly said she was gonna watch the show with shin min ah so I'm gonna assume one of the reasons (or the only reason) she's watching the show is for her lol
-She only listed her fav actresses, no sign of men list (so far)
-She included shin min to call her pretty but this is expected from Karina :lol:
Oh that reminds me! If it's the show with shin mina and that dude then it's the one with a lesbian substory!
Hometown Cha-cha-cha??
Yup. Unless they've worked together somewhere else.

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Guest wrote:
17 Jan 2022, 15:16
Guest wrote:
17 Jan 2022, 15:06
It's interesting that she likes shin sekyung. She keeps getting criticised for being a pretty face with poor acting skills.
Although I disagree, and I like her too.
I think we can rule her out as lesbian definitely, no way you will catch me calling a man pretty
Not very shocking. Lesbians are pretty rare, sadly.
The good thing is:
-She expressly said she was gonna watch the show with shin min ah so I'm gonna assume one of the reasons (or the only reason) she's watching the show is for her lol
-She only listed her fav actresses, no sign of men list (so far)
-She included shin min to call her pretty but this is expected from Karina :lol:
da I don't think we should rule her out just yet.

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We can add emma to that actresses list :lol:

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Is there any pretty girl she doesn't like? :lol:

Karina:

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Guest wrote:
17 Jan 2022, 16:08
Guest wrote:
17 Jan 2022, 15:16
Guest wrote:
17 Jan 2022, 15:06
It's interesting that she likes shin sekyung. She keeps getting criticised for being a pretty face with poor acting skills.
Although I disagree, and I like her too.
I think we can rule her out as lesbian definitely, no way you will catch me calling a man pretty
Not very shocking. Lesbians are pretty rare, sadly.
The good thing is:
-She expressly said she was gonna watch the show with shin min ah so I'm gonna assume one of the reasons (or the only reason) she's watching the show is for her lol
-She only listed her fav actresses, no sign of men list (so far)
-She included shin min to call her pretty but this is expected from Karina :lol:
da I don't think we should rule her out just yet.
I never considered her lesbian for starters :lol: either straight or bisexual (i like speculating for fun but keeping it realistic). I always thought bi with men as preference but like other anons mentioned she's too women centric and it's making me doubt that she could be bi with women as preference. I guess we'll have to wait for more hints in the future.

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Guest wrote:
17 Jan 2022, 17:27
Guest wrote:
17 Jan 2022, 16:08
Guest wrote:
17 Jan 2022, 15:16
Guest wrote:
17 Jan 2022, 15:06
It's interesting that she likes shin sekyung. She keeps getting criticised for being a pretty face with poor acting skills.
Although I disagree, and I like her too.
I think we can rule her out as lesbian definitely, no way you will catch me calling a man pretty
Not very shocking. Lesbians are pretty rare, sadly.
The good thing is:
-She expressly said she was gonna watch the show with shin min ah so I'm gonna assume one of the reasons (or the only reason) she's watching the show is for her lol
-She only listed her fav actresses, no sign of men list (so far)
-She included shin min to call her pretty but this is expected from Karina :lol:
da I don't think we should rule her out just yet.
I never considered her lesbian for starters :lol: either straight or bisexual (i like speculating for fun but keeping it realistic). I always thought bi with men as preference but like other anons mentioned she's too women centric and it's making me doubt that she could be bi with women as preference. I guess we'll have to wait for more hints in the future.
I think it's pretty much impossible to tell whether some of these sus idols are gay or just bi because they still need to stay in the closet, and not just because they're idols but because it's SK. They'll always throw a bone for the straights, even if they don't mean it. And we can never know if they mean it or not. So I prefer to focus on their feelings for women and leave men out of the equation.

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Guest wrote:
17 Jan 2022, 17:53
Guest wrote:
17 Jan 2022, 17:27
Guest wrote:
17 Jan 2022, 16:08
Guest wrote:
17 Jan 2022, 15:16
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17 Jan 2022, 15:06
It's interesting that she likes shin sekyung. She keeps getting criticised for being a pretty face with poor acting skills.
Although I disagree, and I like her too.



Not very shocking. Lesbians are pretty rare, sadly.
The good thing is:
-She expressly said she was gonna watch the show with shin min ah so I'm gonna assume one of the reasons (or the only reason) she's watching the show is for her lol
-She only listed her fav actresses, no sign of men list (so far)
-She included shin min to call her pretty but this is expected from Karina :lol:
da I don't think we should rule her out just yet.
I never considered her lesbian for starters :lol: either straight or bisexual (i like speculating for fun but keeping it realistic). I always thought bi with men as preference but like other anons mentioned she's too women centric and it's making me doubt that she could be bi with women as preference. I guess we'll have to wait for more hints in the future.
I think it's pretty much impossible to tell whether some of these sus idols are gay or just bi because they still need to stay in the closet, and not just because they're idols but because it's SK. They'll always throw a bone for the straights, even if they don't mean it. And we can never know if they mean it or not. So I prefer to focus on their feelings for women and leave men out of the equation.
Yes, I understand. It's just when idols bring up men for themselves without no one forcing them like Giselle or Winter, it's hard to think they are faking it because it seems very genuine. But you're right we should only focus on the women part and not men unless it's something hard to ignore.

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Guest wrote:
17 Jan 2022, 17:53
Guest wrote:
17 Jan 2022, 17:27
Guest wrote:
17 Jan 2022, 16:08
Guest wrote:
17 Jan 2022, 15:16
Guest wrote:
17 Jan 2022, 15:06
It's interesting that she likes shin sekyung. She keeps getting criticised for being a pretty face with poor acting skills.
Although I disagree, and I like her too.



Not very shocking. Lesbians are pretty rare, sadly.
The good thing is:
-She expressly said she was gonna watch the show with shin min ah so I'm gonna assume one of the reasons (or the only reason) she's watching the show is for her lol
-She only listed her fav actresses, no sign of men list (so far)
-She included shin min to call her pretty but this is expected from Karina :lol:
da I don't think we should rule her out just yet.
I never considered her lesbian for starters :lol: either straight or bisexual (i like speculating for fun but keeping it realistic). I always thought bi with men as preference but like other anons mentioned she's too women centric and it's making me doubt that she could be bi with women as preference. I guess we'll have to wait for more hints in the future.
I think it's pretty much impossible to tell whether some of these sus idols are gay or just bi because they still need to stay in the closet, and not just because they're idols but because it's SK. They'll always throw a bone for the straights, even if they don't mean it. And we can never know if they mean it or not. So I prefer to focus on their feelings for women and leave men out of the equation.
One of the things about her is how comfortable she is with female MCs like she really seems so comfortable around them and I don't know if it's a mix of her being of the leader and her friendly nature (some people are very friendly with everyone) or it's something else..

This radio show is where I feel she was the most comfortable, she was really cute here


Under spoilers more links
[spoiler]With english subs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHsrTMPOdIk

The full version with breaks included where she keeps being friendly. Breaks: 05:25; 16:56 ; 25:30


or this one too
[/spoiler]

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17 Jan 2022, 14:55
Karina fav actresses


I think we can rule her out as lesbian definitely, no way you will catch me calling a man pretty 008
Da

Correct me if im wrong but someone on Twitter translated her bubble differently and she said that Shin Min-a and Kim Seon-ho look good together, not literally that they are good looking or in this case "pretty"

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She just keeps shooting her shot doesnt she? :rofl:


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Guest wrote:
17 Jan 2022, 22:45
Guest wrote:
17 Jan 2022, 14:55
Karina fav actresses
[spoiler][/spoiler]

I think we can rule her out as lesbian definitely, no way you will catch me calling a man pretty 008
[spoiler][/spoiler]
Da

Correct me if im wrong but someone on Twitter translated her bubble differently and she said that Shin Min-a and Kim Seon-ho look good together, not literally that they are good looking or in this case "pretty"
omg at moments like these I wish I spoke korean :mask:
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17 Jan 2022, 22:49
She just keeps shooting her shot doesnt she? :rofl:

I can already see fans losing their minds over her flirting when they finally have fansigns :rofl:

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Guest wrote:
17 Jan 2022, 22:45
Guest wrote:
17 Jan 2022, 14:55
Karina fav actresses


I think we can rule her out as lesbian definitely, no way you will catch me calling a man pretty 008
Da

Correct me if im wrong but someone on Twitter translated her bubble differently and she said that Shin Min-a and Kim Seon-ho look good together, not literally that they are good looking or in this case "pretty"
Da

Well that makes sense too. I watched the drama and I must say they do look good together, probably one of the few pairings with actually chemistry.

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I can already see fans losing their minds over her flirting when they finally have fansigns :rofl:
I don't know if I'd try with her, you never know if she's gonna be receptive or not :rofl: She can be blunt sometimes :nervous:


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Karina said no to marriage :rofl: :rofl:

[spoiler]

[/spoiler]

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The way Karina went all out for Winter's birthday, spamming pic after pic after pic. You can tell she really has a soft spot for her :bigcry:

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Karina said no to marriage :rofl: :rofl:

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