Korean Entertainment - Part II

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This HYBE/MHJ drama is shaping out to be one of the most impactful moments in Kpop and we are still in the middle of it. If HYBE doesn't find a way to win the public over again, then there will be long lasting damage on Bang Sihyuk and HYBE artists. Knetz are already digging up dirt on BTS. While on the other end MHJ will go down as an icon and NewJeans the biggest Kpop group Korea has seen since Girls Generation and Big Bang.

I don't like MHJ, but many Knetz have been discussing the difference between female creative direction and male, so many think what Bang Sihyuk does is very outdated, so hopefully this could help give more visibility to other female creatives in the industry.

These things never work like that, the loser lose big, but no one really wins. I can see a a sort of downfall for Hybe rep for sure in korea, but internationally things are looking bad for MHJ too. I don't think your prediction about them being bigger soon that gg or bb is accurate either. It's totally different and their popularity depends now on how MHJ manages them and how much Hybe want them at the top, they were hit with this too soon in their career, so it's a really tricky situation as a group. SK is really too good at fast trends and that's a problem here.

da well the thing about intl fans is that they're sheep. if they see mhj being praised, intl will eventually turn too, like counter circle jerk. they're stupid like that.

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Speaking of music, I think IVE has one of the best discographies of 4th gen. I didn’t enjoy their last comeback Baddie, but this upcoming one looks promising. Please give us more Annyeongz moments

Annyeongz is not the only IVE ship T_T I want them to give us more Wonyoung/Liz or Yujin/Rei.
I agree with you on the discography part. They do really have great title tracks. Baddie was crap from start to finish... I also noticed how inconsistent they were with that aesthetic/concept. The rest of the songs on I've MINE are very much soft/cute, only Baddie gives "Girl Krush." If you're going to do it, at least do it right and COMMIT.

Oh…I only care about Annyeongz

Their sound and aesthetic during Love Dive and Eleven were my favorite. Girl crush isn’t their thing. Only Yujin can pull it off

I wasn't an IZ*One fan, thus, I never saw much of Annyeongz. I wish I liked this ship though, there's so much content for them out there.

No, Yujin and Leeseo both pull it off, but the rest of the girls aren't used to it yet, or simply suit softer concepts. Girl Krush demands a lot of stage presence, sharp features, confidence and a certain attitude. It's not easy. 2NE1 did it well, BP passed, Babymonster are still babies. I think the members make or break this type of concepts.

DA So much content? lol I don't think you know them well enough. Annyeongz also barely has content in their iZone era - they're much closer at first but Yujin hangs out more with her doormmates (Yena, Minju). Wonyoung strikes me as a person who doesn't really want to get close to other people tbh, she even skipped their izone reunion last year.

Although being an Annyeongz delusional fan, I think she accepts the fact that Yujin will always be beside her. She called them a package deal before and remember things about Yujin than anyone else.

For the 2nd topic, it's not that the girls aren't used to it, it's literally they can't pull it off. Remove Yujin from Baddie performance and it'll be like a bunch of awkward teens dancing. Even their Holy Moly perf, Yujin is the clear stand out. Starship should learn a thing or two and stop pushing it, they should go back to their princess theme tbh.

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Yujin and her BERTHAS!! FULL FRONTAL VIEWS ARE HORRIFYING and sometimes TERRIFYING.

I haven't commented in a long time but I see those yujin BERTHAS who terrorize and try to bring down others trying to make yujin more superior like it's their truth or something again.

Let's just say you're the worst kind, fat, ugly, pedophilic lesbian, min hee jin supporter due to same species relating to each other mindset

I will release more photos with my disposable unregistered devices (I have plenty) and ip addresses if you try to say more shit about others

Like I said,

Yujin is disgusted by berthas.

If you don't know what a bertha is you don't belong to the l chat.

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Omg that way that person gets more unhinged over time

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Omg that way that person gets more unhinged over time

The way he wants us to buy his bs . Stealing pics from weibo and posting a Pic of a lightstick with that reads "Dear L Chat" when many kpop fans own lightsticks of groups they've never seen irl is crazy. Where are the mods?

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Trolling aside, Yujin’s face looks so soft and cute looking down like that

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Omg that way that person gets more unhinged over time

The way he wants us to buy his bs . Stealing pics from weibo and posting a Pic of a lightstick with that reads "Dear L Chat" when many kpop fans own lightsticks of groups they've never seen irl is crazy. Where are the mods?

Da He was trying to sound like a coherent albeit deranged lesbian exfan in the beginning but now he isn't even trying and has gone completely mask off

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The male troll's dedication to do something like this The fact that he takes time to crop things

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Trolling aside, Yujin’s face looks so soft and cute looking down like that

Her short layered hair makes her face look round and cute. I kinda miss it. Also I don’t know what that anon is trying to prove, they really sound like a male fan who hates Yujin’s lesbians fans.

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The male troll's dedication to do something like this The fact that he takes time to crop things

Because most pics have trademarks, if her bar or the fans who have taken those pics realize he’s stealing them to post bullshit here they’ll figure out who he is

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The mental illness you come across on l-chat really is something to behold.

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The mental illness you come across on l-chat really is something to behold.

All of this because some lesbian fans like a certain idol and enjoy talking about her? People in here need to go out and get jobs.

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The male troll's dedication to do something like this The fact that he takes time to crop things

Because most pics have trademarks, if her bar or the fans who have taken those pics realize he’s stealing them to post bullshit here they’ll figure out who he is

Oh I see.

The first time that troll sent the 'hi lchat' pic, I thought they're legit but they showed their true colors with those captions

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The male troll's dedication to do something like this The fact that he takes time to crop things

Because most pics have trademarks, if her bar or the fans who have taken those pics realize he’s stealing them to post bullshit here they’ll figure out who he is

Oh I see.

The first time that troll sent the 'hi lchat' pic, I thought they're legit but they showed their true colors with those captions

I’ve always said they’re not legit and deranged. They have an immense hatred towards lesbian fans and they’re trying to spin stories about YJ to ruin her reputation.

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Speaking of music, I think IVE has one of the best discographies of 4th gen. I didn’t enjoy their last comeback Baddie, but this upcoming one looks promising. Please give us more Annyeongz moments

Annyeongz is not the only IVE ship T_T I want them to give us more Wonyoung/Liz or Yujin/Rei.
I agree with you on the discography part. They do really have great title tracks. Baddie was crap from start to finish... I also noticed how inconsistent they were with that aesthetic/concept. The rest of the songs on I've MINE are very much soft/cute, only Baddie gives "Girl Krush." If you're going to do it, at least do it right and COMMIT.

Oh…I only care about Annyeongz

Their sound and aesthetic during Love Dive and Eleven were my favorite. Girl crush isn’t their thing. Only Yujin can pull it off

I wasn't an IZ*One fan, thus, I never saw much of Annyeongz. I wish I liked this ship though, there's so much content for them out there.

No, Yujin and Leeseo both pull it off, but the rest of the girls aren't used to it yet, or simply suit softer concepts. Girl Krush demands a lot of stage presence, sharp features, confidence and a certain attitude. It's not easy. 2NE1 did it well, BP passed, Babymonster are still babies. I think the members make or break this type of concepts.

Da there’s actually not much content for them. It’s small interactions like these that drive the psych ward crazy:

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MHJ really opened pandora's box. Koreans are going wild rn in the comments of OMG cause they think the video suggests Hybe has connections to a cult called Dan World which was influenced by the unification church. In one of the texts MHJ showed at the conference the execs got mad about the content of that music video and threatened to takeaway their Apple collab. Now people are connecting all this symbolism together. I'm learning things I never knew, like that BT$ can also be read as an acronym for a book from that cult

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Damn, the other anon was right, knetz are really coming for btsass. I kind of wish pannchoa was still there to translate all of this stuff because there's a LOT happening in Korean forums at the moment. They're accusing hybe of buying them awards and they're even pulling up proofs of how other groups should have won based on the criteria. Another popular post is accusing btsass of copying others and there's lot of proofs for that as well, they're calling it the worst plagiarism they've ever seen and are shocked how it all was buried. They're also coming for their live singing and there's some other posts about them too. Just go to theqoo and to the hot category, it's full of these discussions.

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NJ music is getting more and more mid and uneventful. Nice, but kind of shop mall background music.

It was always uneventful though, which is the big difference with illit

DA they're both boring with weak vocals. They make boring ringtone/tiktok music. But apparently enough people love that shit.

Da. I mean that’s your opinion, I absolutely love everything newjeans has put out and I’m a very eclectic music consumer.

There’s a reason why critics love them and it for sure isn’t because they put out “boring tiktok music”, that’s your take bc you probably enjoy noisier stuff and can’t catch the nuances and references in newjeans music.

Da critics loving them means absolutely nothing. Most of them get paid by big companies to write praise about kpop groups and their music. Just like how critics aren’t allowed to write anything bad about Taylor swift

This person must be living under a rock.

Critics aren't allowed to write anything bad about Taylor Swift

? When there's literally a reporter who came out recently that said they were encouraged to unfairly criticize her and her work just for engagement especially after 2016 happened.

Even just this recent album rollout all they've been writing about aren't even about her music or albums anymore but just going on and on about how she's a billionaire meanwhile Beyonce or Jay-Z doesn't get that treatment at all.

NewJeans may be paying people for payola but I doubt they pay critics because they don't care enough for that. No one takes Kpop seriously already why would they bother to have that image now?

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I'm not terribly in tune with gen z culture, but what does it mean when a girl likes Girl in Red enough to recommend to her fans twice?

Sohyun? I'd say this is one of the biggest receipts of 4th gen but if it's not her then who?

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Baby you’re like chocolate
Sweet wrapped in foil
You’re the only one who doesn’t know
Lady, you’re that being
You color what’s around you
It’s fine, you’re perfect by yourself, yeah

Oh, I don’t know, push it on me
Just like that, towards you, push it on me
Attracting me like gravity, back
I’m heating up, to be honest my heart is young
I just dive in, no doubts

Je ne sais quoi
I wanna follow you
Your attraction
The flower of emotion called love
Je ne sais quoi
Allow my heart please
I wanna approach you
Precariously, one step

Slow down
The tempo changes, your rhythm
Tell me
This secret only we know, a nighttime dance

Actually, no I wasn't talking about her. Momona, the girl I posted about the other day from the Japanese produce 101 group, ME:I, just posted on her private mail (smth like bubble) that she's listening to GIR's Girlfriend is Better; just two weeks ago she also posted that she's listening to GIR's new album, who she "likes a lot".

Ooh, sorry I scrolled past this. I might watch the show since all their songs are flawless and I was happy Cocoro got to redebut after what happened to Cherry Bullet and the other members who left with her. Girl in Red is like the thread tying sus idols together lately but this Momona saying she likes her a lot is even more obvious so you're probably right about her (and Cocoro?). Actually I always thought Ella got cut from Chebul for not "fitting in" if you get what I mean and it happened again in PIXY so maybe something similar with Coco? Why do you think they avoid anything physical on camera?

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Like there was that cray Knetz rumour of Ella dating another girl group member way too young for her that I thought a male troll made up because it was so random, but then she went dark and got kicked out of PIXY straight after even though she was the leader. Maybe it's not a coincidence the only other cut PIXY member was vocally pro-gay...

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Da does the rumor know who it is?

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Speaking of music, I think IVE has one of the best discographies of 4th gen. I didn’t enjoy their last comeback Baddie, but this upcoming one looks promising. Please give us more Annyeongz moments

Annyeongz is not the only IVE ship T_T I want them to give us more Wonyoung/Liz or Yujin/Rei.
I agree with you on the discography part. They do really have great title tracks. Baddie was crap from start to finish... I also noticed how inconsistent they were with that aesthetic/concept. The rest of the songs on I've MINE are very much soft/cute, only Baddie gives "Girl Krush." If you're going to do it, at least do it right and COMMIT.

Oh…I only care about Annyeongz

Their sound and aesthetic during Love Dive and Eleven were my favorite. Girl crush isn’t their thing. Only Yujin can pull it off

I wasn't an IZ*One fan, thus, I never saw much of Annyeongz. I wish I liked this ship though, there's so much content for them out there.

No, Yujin and Leeseo both pull it off, but the rest of the girls aren't used to it yet, or simply suit softer concepts. Girl Krush demands a lot of stage presence, sharp features, confidence and a certain attitude. It's not easy. 2NE1 did it well, BP passed, Babymonster are still babies. I think the members make or break this type of concepts.

DA So much content? lol I don't think you know them well enough. Annyeongz also barely has content in their iZone era - they're much closer at first but Yujin hangs out more with her doormmates (Yena, Minju). Wonyoung strikes me as a person who doesn't really want to get close to other people tbh, she even skipped their izone reunion last year.

Although being an Annyeongz delusional fan, I think she accepts the fact that Yujin will always be beside her. She called them a package deal before and remember things about Yujin than anyone else.

For the 2nd topic, it's not that the girls aren't used to it, it's literally they can't pull it off. Remove Yujin from Baddie performance and it'll be like a bunch of awkward teens dancing. Even their Holy Moly perf, Yujin is the clear stand out. Starship should learn a thing or two and stop pushing it, they should go back to their princess theme tbh.

Da what if the Izone meeting she was busy?

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da I'm sorry but why are you acting like a couple of music rating sites for nerds are the be and end all of music opinions? New Jeans ratings on rateyourmusic aren't even much higher than Taylor's to be acting like they're untouchable. There is no objective music opinion you should stop being so defensive over someone not liking their music and pulling a "you have to have a high iq to understand New Jeans" lol

I’m only defensive about the payola thing, the rest I couldn’t care less if you think their music is shit. It’s your individual opinion and it changes nothing about mine.

And yes those sites, albumoftheyear especially, have weight to them just like letterboxed has for movies. It’s a collective of music nerds. If you wanna be dumb about it be dumb about it, cause at the end of the day Newjeans music isn’t basic lazy tiktok music as much as you want it to be

Da you’re getting defensive because deep down you know it’s true. Letterboxd isn’t reliable either, and especially when it comes to Kpop, none of those “critics” are objective. Heck said critics wrote praises about BP and J@min and we all know they’re the definition of mediocrity. You can like NJ music all you want but stop acting superior for doing so.

At this point you’re just yapping. If you don’t get the intrinsic value of user based sites like letterboxd and aoty I can’t even continue this conversation. “Letterboxd isn’t reliable either” You’re just coming across as extremely dumb

You were talking about critics though, now you’re talking about user based websites after I said some critics and journalists are obviously paid?

You’re just giving me the ick now cause how can’t you follow a simple conversation… I mentioned critics, those websites, the GP and other musicians and producers that react to them independently. All that contributes to prove their music isn’t lazy.

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I’m only defensive about the payola thing, the rest I couldn’t care less if you think their music is shit. It’s your individual opinion and it changes nothing about mine.

And yes those sites, albumoftheyear especially, have weight to them just like letterboxed has for movies. It’s a collective of music nerds. If you wanna be dumb about it be dumb about it, cause at the end of the day Newjeans music isn’t basic lazy tiktok music as much as you want it to be

Da you’re getting defensive because deep down you know it’s true. Letterboxd isn’t reliable either, and especially when it comes to Kpop, none of those “critics” are objective. Heck said critics wrote praises about BP and J@min and we all know they’re the definition of mediocrity. You can like NJ music all you want but stop acting superior for doing so.

At this point you’re just yapping. If you don’t get the intrinsic value of user based sites like letterboxd and aoty I can’t even continue this conversation. “Letterboxd isn’t reliable either” You’re just coming across as extremely dumb

You were talking about critics though, now you’re talking about user based websites after I said some critics and journalists are obviously paid?

You’re just giving me the ick now cause how can’t you follow a simple conversation… I mentioned critics, those websites, the GP and other musicians and producers that react to them independently. All that contributes to prove their music isn’t lazy.

DA. God shut up already. You're so pretentious and won't let this stupid argument die without getting the last word in.

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Damn, the other anon was right, knetz are really coming for btsass. I kind of wish pannchoa was still there to translate all of this stuff because there's a LOT happening in Korean forums at the moment. They're accusing hybe of buying them awards and they're even pulling up proofs of how other groups should have won based on the criteria. Another popular post is accusing btsass of copying others and there's lot of proofs for that as well, they're calling it the worst plagiarism they've ever seen and are shocked how it all was buried. They're also coming for their live singing and there's some other posts about them too. Just go to theqoo and to the hot category, it's full of these discussions.

Took long enough for knetz to discover this shit. I'm not sure if other anon had talk about this before but i was that anon saying bt$ were liar. Glad to know their lies got exposed. If you noticed the pattern, it wont be that hard to see through this shit. I had said before bt$ fools their fans, hybe payola everything. Must hurt them alot. I mean fans and knetz.. But their fans would defends them, isn't it?

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Is it surprising tho for the rest of us who did not drink their koolaid? They’re def overrated. They were hard carry by their fans. They’re not the worst but def didn’t deserve all these accolades. They’re mid at best. But their fans made it seem as if they’re legendary when they’re nowhere close to legendary singers in the past. They are not even as good as Japanese pop stars like Utada Hikaru who don’t have their stans or bulk buying but has legit fans across the globe

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I'm not terribly in tune with gen z culture, but what does it mean when a girl likes Girl in Red enough to recommend to her fans twice?

Sohyun? I'd say this is one of the biggest receipts of 4th gen but if it's not her then who?

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Baby you’re like chocolate
Sweet wrapped in foil
You’re the only one who doesn’t know
Lady, you’re that being
You color what’s around you
It’s fine, you’re perfect by yourself, yeah

Oh, I don’t know, push it on me
Just like that, towards you, push it on me
Attracting me like gravity, back
I’m heating up, to be honest my heart is young
I just dive in, no doubts

Je ne sais quoi
I wanna follow you
Your attraction
The flower of emotion called love
Je ne sais quoi
Allow my heart please
I wanna approach you
Precariously, one step

Slow down
The tempo changes, your rhythm
Tell me
This secret only we know, a nighttime dance

Actually, no I wasn't talking about her. Momona, the girl I posted about the other day from the Japanese produce 101 group, ME:I, just posted on her private mail (smth like bubble) that she's listening to GIR's Girlfriend is Better; just two weeks ago she also posted that she's listening to GIR's new album, who she "likes a lot".

Ooh, sorry I scrolled past this. I might watch the show since all their songs are flawless and I was happy Cocoro got to redebut after what happened to Cherry Bullet and the other members who left with her. Girl in Red is like the thread tying sus idols together lately but this Momona saying she likes her a lot is even more obvious so you're probably right about her (and Cocoro?). Actually I always thought Ella got cut from Chebul for not "fitting in" if you get what I mean and it happened again in PIXY so maybe something similar with Coco? Why do you think they avoid anything physical on camera?

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Like there was that cray Knetz rumour of Ella dating another girl group member way too young for her that I thought a male troll made up because it was so random, but then she went dark and got kicked out of PIXY straight after even though she was the leader. Maybe it's not a coincidence the only other cut PIXY member was vocally pro-gay...

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Da does the rumor know who it is?

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da the other idol was underage, dahyun from rocket punch. Rumor was Ella was spotted holding her hand and then ran away. Rumors were spreading a lot on K-forums why the two Pixy members were kicked and then their company asked for people to stop talking essentially. People thought the other one got kicked for her weight. Ella was first put on hiatus for a while because of "personal stress and physical condition" and not allowed to participate on their album before being kicked same time as the other girl. Second group she got cut from so wouldn't shock me if she's off.

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lol pannchoa was missed. should've been here to convert the intl fans to hate on hybe too

makes me think pannchoa was strike down exactly for this controversy

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MHJ really opened pandora's box. Koreans are going wild rn in the comments of OMG cause they think the video suggests Hybe has connections to a cult called Dan World which was influenced by the unification church. In one of the texts MHJ showed at the conference the execs got mad about the content of that music video and threatened to takeaway their Apple collab. Now people are connecting all this symbolism together. I'm learning things I never knew, like that BT$ can also be read as an acronym for a book from that cult

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Pandora's box indeed. Explain more please, in spoiler. I knew that group is weird. Not the first time i heard about btass cult but have zero idea about Dan world..

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lol pannchoa was missed. should've been here to convert the intl fans to hate on hybe too

makes me think pannchoa was strike down exactly for this controversy

Is pannchoa.net related to the original blog? I think it’s better than nothing for those who like to read comments

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I would've bet more on satanism instead with all the creepy bloody dark angel stuff Lesserafim and BTS have done. Another day conspiracy theorists end up being right too many coincidences just make things not be coincidences anymore but some people would rather ignore cause idk, truth hurts or whatever.

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Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
It's mindblowing how that press conf. changed the tide.




click on spoiler tag, you are not gonna regret it

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B&S stans are losing their shit on twitter, spreading false info about SM, mistranslation, going after B*A for no reason at all (again).

This is war!

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I pray for this company's downfall, save women from them

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and this is the guy who during SM/H drama played the role of that elegant, kind, new gen CEO, who implements new standards for idols and kpop. The BIG 3 are messy, the difference with H. is that they knew how to hide their messines. But it's the same devil, just diff clothes.

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they are suspending accounts on twitter who post that c/lt info, but also tiktok

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Does H/be knows how Straisand effect works? At this point they only have bt5 stans on their side, everyone else hates them, and knowing how unhinged knetz can be...well.

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MHJ really opened pandora's box. Koreans are going wild rn in the comments of OMG cause they think the video suggests Hybe has connections to a cult called Dan World which was influenced by the unification church. In one of the texts MHJ showed at the conference the execs got mad about the content of that music video and threatened to takeaway their Apple collab. Now people are connecting all this symbolism together. I'm learning things I never knew, like that BT$ can also be read as an acronym for a book from that cult

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Pandora's box indeed. Explain more please, in spoiler. I knew that group is weird. Not the first time i heard about btass cult but have zero idea about Dan world..

It's hard to summarize because even I am learning about a lot of this for the first time. But, I'd first like to start that weird lyrics like this isn't entirely new concept in K-pop. Just last year we had the whole SM controversy with Aespa and Kwangya lyrics where people were complaining about how Aespa's album had to be completely reworked and delayed because of all the subliminal messaging about the environment and planting trees being too much. They never debuted Naevis despite saying they would, and they completely cut that S*perM comeback LSM promised too. During the back and forth shareholder videos SM were releasing they were evoking the name of God and the Devil in their videos. I think all these big K-pop companies give cult vibes/religious affiliation.

Since English outlets are starting to pick this up I think the fake stuff about this will all increase and it'll be hard to determine what's conspiracy and truth.

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As mentioned prior one of the messages in MHJ press conference mentions a threat over the MV OMG which caused people to research why this was threat worthy. The conclusion is the lyrics of the song was meant to be praiseworthy towards the Dan World cult, hence lyrics like Dan Neoppuniya where in the recording booth Danielle was asked to emphasize the "dan" part. MHJ is listed as vocal director for the song so it is assumed she may have been the one who asked. The confusing part for me are the lyrics, because other lyrics being brought up as sus such as Gfriend's Mago have Bang written down as involved in writing them, but NewJeans does not have that. Of course, entirely possible the lyrics credits are very bullshity. I remember SNSD Sooyoung mentioning there were songs she wrote for that she wasn't credited on because she didn't write enough.

Anyways, MHJ video wasn't so praiseworthy though. And equates followers of the cult to being mentally ill. Which offends CEO Jiwon and Bang enough to threaten to get rid of collabs.

I was reading up about the monologue Hanni does at the start of the video and saw mention that the pronoun she uses for "you" is weird and rarely used, and sometimes is used as the word for God (dangsin). It was also funny to choose her, the foreign member, to speak the lines as her pronunciation wasn't the best on it it too which could be seen as a slight. Siri also apparently can be interpreted as God. To further explain this can also connect to the Mago lyrics line 6960 magic. The 3 gods of the Korean people are Hwanin, Hwanung, and DANGUN… the 47th Dangun Seongjo in the Dangun Joseon Dynasty in 2096 is listed in this hwandan gogi (ancient kor history record) for a total of 6960 years. Dangun is the god the Dan World cult idolizes. To extra add on, Viviz have stated they aren't interested in doing a witch concept again when asked about concepts.

Anyways, another interesting thing was that when the press conference was airing a lot of sites weren't translating everything she was saying and of course skipped over the bit where when discussing the Shaman thing MHJ says "they're the ones doing witchcraft. That's why they are trying to corner me. Because they are doing it. By nature no one thinks like that unless they are the one's doing it." Koreans also theorize that the reason MHJ kept emphasizing she wouldn't kill herself at the press conference was in case something were to happen to her the public would know it wasn't her doing.

here is a korean thread I noticed that is still up, I saw some others I was taking note of have the accounts go private or get deleted. It's also extremely bizarre that the thread that started this all, that now has upwards of 50 million views on Twitter, has like no Korean articles written up about it.



this goes all into more detail about the cult, its connection to a cyber university the cult leader runs, and how a large number of Hybe idols have attended said university. There is so much going on in the thread and some of it is prob like the weverse/phoning thing imo. But there is a decent amount of substance to this to make it believable.

Ah, I almost forgot to mention. I did think it was bizarre that immediately after the press conference out of all organizations the one MHJ chose to go to was a CBS radio, christian broadcasting. Netizens suspect that was intentional too.

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^ Jesus freaking Christ!!!

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MHJ really opened pandora's box. Koreans are going wild rn in the comments of OMG cause they think the video suggests Hybe has connections to a cult called Dan World which was influenced by the unification church. In one of the texts MHJ showed at the conference the execs got mad about the content of that music video and threatened to takeaway their Apple collab. Now people are connecting all this symbolism together. I'm learning things I never knew, like that BT$ can also be read as an acronym for a book from that cult

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Pandora's box indeed. Explain more please, in spoiler. I knew that group is weird. Not the first time i heard about btass cult but have zero idea about Dan world..

It's hard to summarize because even I am learning about a lot of this for the first time. But, I'd first like to start that weird lyrics like this isn't entirely new concept in K-pop. Just last year we had the whole SM controversy with Aespa and Kwangya lyrics where people were complaining about how Aespa's album had to be completely reworked and delayed because of all the subliminal messaging about the environment and planting trees being too much. They never debuted Naevis despite saying they would, and they completely cut that S*perM comeback LSM promised too. During the back and forth shareholder videos SM were releasing they were evoking the name of God and the Devil in their videos. I think all these big K-pop companies give cult vibes/religious affiliation.

Since English outlets are starting to pick this up I think the fake stuff about this will all increase and it'll be hard to determine what's conspiracy and truth.

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As mentioned prior one of the messages in MHJ press conference mentions a threat over the MV OMG which caused people to research why this was threat worthy. The conclusion is the lyrics of the song was meant to be praiseworthy towards the Dan World cult, hence lyrics like Dan Neoppuniya where in the recording booth Danielle was asked to emphasize the "dan" part. MHJ is listed as vocal director for the song so it is assumed she may have been the one who asked. The confusing part for me are the lyrics, because other lyrics being brought up as sus such as Gfriend's Mago have Bang written down as involved in writing them, but NewJeans does not have that. Of course, entirely possible the lyrics credits are very bullshity. I remember SNSD Sooyoung mentioning there were songs she wrote for that she wasn't credited on because she didn't write enough.

Anyways, MHJ video wasn't so praiseworthy though. And equates followers of the cult to being mentally ill. Which offends CEO Jiwon and Bang enough to threaten to get rid of collabs.

I was reading up about the monologue Hanni does at the start of the video and saw mention that the pronoun she uses for "you" is weird and rarely used, and sometimes is used as the word for God (dangsin). It was also funny to choose her, the foreign member, to speak the lines as her pronunciation wasn't the best on it it too which could be seen as a slight. Siri also apparently can be interpreted as God. To further explain this can also connect to the Mago lyrics line 6960 magic. The 3 gods of the Korean people are Hwanin, Hwanung, and DANGUN… the 47th Dangun Seongjo in the Dangun Joseon Dynasty in 2096 is listed in this hwandan gogi (ancient kor history record) for a total of 6960 years. Dangun is the god the Dan World cult idolizes. To extra add on, Viviz have stated they aren't interested in doing a witch concept again when asked about concepts.

Anyways, another interesting thing was that when the press conference was airing a lot of sites weren't translating everything she was saying and of course skipped over the bit where when discussing the Shaman thing MHJ says "they're the ones doing witchcraft. That's why they are trying to corner me. Because they are doing it. By nature no one thinks like that unless they are the one's doing it." Koreans also theorize that the reason MHJ kept emphasizing she wouldn't kill herself at the press conference was in case something were to happen to her the public would know it wasn't her doing.

here is a korean thread I noticed that is still up, I saw some others I was taking note of have the accounts go private or get deleted. It's also extremely bizarre that the thread that started this all, that now has upwards of 50 million views on Twitter, has like no Korean articles written up about it.



this goes all into more detail about the cult, its connection to a cyber university the cult leader runs, and how a large number of Hybe idols have attended said university. There is so much going on in the thread and some of it is prob like the weverse/phoning thing imo. But there is a decent amount of substance to this to make it believable.

Ah, I almost forgot to mention. I did think it was bizarre that immediately after the press conference out of all organizations the one MHJ chose to go to was a CBS radio, christian broadcasting. Netizens suspect that was intentional too.

Adding, another thing I saw was that apparently at the Apple event they threatened to take away, MHJ hired an abnormally large amount of bodyguards. Hyb3 has officially announced they are going to take legal action for defamation against BT$, so suspect more threads and videos on this to get taken down quick. (Also I recommend censoring names here just in case)

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hybe on their move again, if you post something related to 단월드= Dan world on tiktok it will be forcibly deleted

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Stop turning this thread into LSA 2.0

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H..is now saying it will take legal action blah blah blah, against any defamation and malicious posts about **S.

as someone wisely noticed, this is diversionary tactic, since barely anyone talks about **S in this whole fiasco. Plus, this is also an obvious attempt at having **S stans on their side.

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What a time to be on the Lchat, really. I'll need to get more tea and popcorn for the upcoming days.
I actually know how it will end : MHJ will lose her job, H... will get out of this with a tarnished reputation. But a company is potentially eternal, a human isn't. Anyway... I'm excited to watch 4h video essays about this drama in a couple of years.

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H..is now saying it will take legal action blah blah blah, against any defamation and malicious posts about **S.

as someone wisely noticed, this is diversionary tactic, since barely anyone talks about **S in this whole fiasco. Plus, this is also an obvious attempt at having **S stans on their side.

I'm surprised °°S are still relevant at all. Haven't they disbanded three years ago? It's the equivalent of a decade in Kpop time. How come their fans are still not over those average dudes? Even if they come back, their fandom will never be as strong as it once was. Boy groups are not in vogue anymore and those guys aren't getting younger.

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Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
It's mindblowing how that press conf. changed the tide.

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Crazy bitch has some star potential.
I am not worried, Minji is trained for this~



, whatever god it is I miss her & Hanni

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H..is now saying it will take legal action blah blah blah, against any defamation and malicious posts about **S.

as someone wisely noticed, this is diversionary tactic, since barely anyone talks about **S in this whole fiasco. Plus, this is also an obvious attempt at having **S stans on their side.

I'm surprised °°S are still relevant at all. Haven't they disbanded three years ago? It's the equivalent of a decade in Kpop time. How come their fans are still not over those average dudes? Even if they come back, their fandom will never be as strong as it once was. Boy groups are not in vogue anymore and those guys aren't getting younger.

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they will become like s*ju grandpa. Their fans are still not matured until today. Always find a reason to fight with gg stans. This grandpa aren't relevant, flop and they suck all budget from gg for themselves just because they are m3n. Bt$ fans are not that different than s*ju fans. Defends their oppar doing crime and get away with it, happily give money to their oppa. I'm pity them.

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MHJ really opened pandora's box. Koreans are going wild rn in the comments of OMG cause they think the video suggests Hybe has connections to a cult called Dan World which was influenced by the unification church. In one of the texts MHJ showed at the conference the execs got mad about the content of that music video and threatened to takeaway their Apple collab. Now people are connecting all this symbolism together. I'm learning things I never knew, like that BT$ can also be read as an acronym for a book from that cult

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Pandora's box indeed. Explain more please, in spoiler. I knew that group is weird. Not the first time i heard about btass cult but have zero idea about Dan world..

It's hard to summarize because even I am learning about a lot of this for the first time. But, I'd first like to start that weird lyrics like this isn't entirely new concept in K-pop. Just last year we had the whole SM controversy with Aespa and Kwangya lyrics where people were complaining about how Aespa's album had to be completely reworked and delayed because of all the subliminal messaging about the environment and planting trees being too much. They never debuted Naevis despite saying they would, and they completely cut that S*perM comeback LSM promised too. During the back and forth shareholder videos SM were releasing they were evoking the name of God and the Devil in their videos. I think all these big K-pop companies give cult vibes/religious affiliation.

Since English outlets are starting to pick this up I think the fake stuff about this will all increase and it'll be hard to determine what's conspiracy and truth.

SPOILERSPOILER

As mentioned prior one of the messages in MHJ press conference mentions a threat over the MV OMG which caused people to research why this was threat worthy. The conclusion is the lyrics of the song was meant to be praiseworthy towards the Dan World cult, hence lyrics like Dan Neoppuniya where in the recording booth Danielle was asked to emphasize the "dan" part. MHJ is listed as vocal director for the song so it is assumed she may have been the one who asked. The confusing part for me are the lyrics, because other lyrics being brought up as sus such as Gfriend's Mago have Bang written down as involved in writing them, but NewJeans does not have that. Of course, entirely possible the lyrics credits are very bullshity. I remember SNSD Sooyoung mentioning there were songs she wrote for that she wasn't credited on because she didn't write enough.

Anyways, MHJ video wasn't so praiseworthy though. And equates followers of the cult to being mentally ill. Which offends CEO Jiwon and Bang enough to threaten to get rid of collabs.

I was reading up about the monologue Hanni does at the start of the video and saw mention that the pronoun she uses for "you" is weird and rarely used, and sometimes is used as the word for God (dangsin). It was also funny to choose her, the foreign member, to speak the lines as her pronunciation wasn't the best on it it too which could be seen as a slight. Siri also apparently can be interpreted as God. To further explain this can also connect to the Mago lyrics line 6960 magic. The 3 gods of the Korean people are Hwanin, Hwanung, and DANGUN… the 47th Dangun Seongjo in the Dangun Joseon Dynasty in 2096 is listed in this hwandan gogi (ancient kor history record) for a total of 6960 years. Dangun is the god the Dan World cult idolizes. To extra add on, Viviz have stated they aren't interested in doing a witch concept again when asked about concepts.

Anyways, another interesting thing was that when the press conference was airing a lot of sites weren't translating everything she was saying and of course skipped over the bit where when discussing the Shaman thing MHJ says "they're the ones doing witchcraft. That's why they are trying to corner me. Because they are doing it. By nature no one thinks like that unless they are the one's doing it." Koreans also theorize that the reason MHJ kept emphasizing she wouldn't kill herself at the press conference was in case something were to happen to her the public would know it wasn't her doing.

here is a korean thread I noticed that is still up, I saw some others I was taking note of have the accounts go private or get deleted. It's also extremely bizarre that the thread that started this all, that now has upwards of 50 million views on Twitter, has like no Korean articles written up about it.



this goes all into more detail about the cult, its connection to a cyber university the cult leader runs, and how a large number of Hybe idols have attended said university. There is so much going on in the thread and some of it is prob like the weverse/phoning thing imo. But there is a decent amount of substance to this to make it believable.

Ah, I almost forgot to mention. I did think it was bizarre that immediately after the press conference out of all organizations the one MHJ chose to go to was a CBS radio, christian broadcasting. Netizens suspect that was intentional too.

Adding, another thing I saw was that apparently at the Apple event they threatened to take away, MHJ hired an abnormally large amount of bodyguards. Hyb3 has officially announced they are going to take legal action for defamation against BT$, so suspect more threads and videos on this to get taken down quick. (Also I recommend censoring names here just in case)

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Da when i read the translation, that exactly what my first thought; someone want to kill her that's why she keep saying she won't kill herself. That's how dirty, evil this industry is.

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MHJ really opened pandora's box. Koreans are going wild rn in the comments of OMG cause they think the video suggests Hybe has connections to a cult called Dan World which was influenced by the unification church. In one of the texts MHJ showed at the conference the execs got mad about the content of that music video and threatened to takeaway their Apple collab. Now people are connecting all this symbolism together. I'm learning things I never knew, like that BT$ can also be read as an acronym for a book from that cult

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Pandora's box indeed. Explain more please, in spoiler. I knew that group is weird. Not the first time i heard about btass cult but have zero idea about Dan world..

It's hard to summarize because even I am learning about a lot of this for the first time. But, I'd first like to start that weird lyrics like this isn't entirely new concept in K-pop. Just last year we had the whole SM controversy with Aespa and Kwangya lyrics where people were complaining about how Aespa's album had to be completely reworked and delayed because of all the subliminal messaging about the environment and planting trees being too much. They never debuted Naevis despite saying they would, and they completely cut that S*perM comeback LSM promised too. During the back and forth shareholder videos SM were releasing they were evoking the name of God and the Devil in their videos. I think all these big K-pop companies give cult vibes/religious affiliation.

Since English outlets are starting to pick this up I think the fake stuff about this will all increase and it'll be hard to determine what's conspiracy and truth.

SPOILERSPOILER

As mentioned prior one of the messages in MHJ press conference mentions a threat over the MV OMG which caused people to research why this was threat worthy. The conclusion is the lyrics of the song was meant to be praiseworthy towards the Dan World cult, hence lyrics like Dan Neoppuniya where in the recording booth Danielle was asked to emphasize the "dan" part. MHJ is listed as vocal director for the song so it is assumed she may have been the one who asked. The confusing part for me are the lyrics, because other lyrics being brought up as sus such as Gfriend's Mago have Bang written down as involved in writing them, but NewJeans does not have that. Of course, entirely possible the lyrics credits are very bullshity. I remember SNSD Sooyoung mentioning there were songs she wrote for that she wasn't credited on because she didn't write enough.

Anyways, MHJ video wasn't so praiseworthy though. And equates followers of the cult to being mentally ill. Which offends CEO Jiwon and Bang enough to threaten to get rid of collabs.

I was reading up about the monologue Hanni does at the start of the video and saw mention that the pronoun she uses for "you" is weird and rarely used, and sometimes is used as the word for God (dangsin). It was also funny to choose her, the foreign member, to speak the lines as her pronunciation wasn't the best on it it too which could be seen as a slight. Siri also apparently can be interpreted as God. To further explain this can also connect to the Mago lyrics line 6960 magic. The 3 gods of the Korean people are Hwanin, Hwanung, and DANGUN… the 47th Dangun Seongjo in the Dangun Joseon Dynasty in 2096 is listed in this hwandan gogi (ancient kor history record) for a total of 6960 years. Dangun is the god the Dan World cult idolizes. To extra add on, Viviz have stated they aren't interested in doing a witch concept again when asked about concepts.

Anyways, another interesting thing was that when the press conference was airing a lot of sites weren't translating everything she was saying and of course skipped over the bit where when discussing the Shaman thing MHJ says "they're the ones doing witchcraft. That's why they are trying to corner me. Because they are doing it. By nature no one thinks like that unless they are the one's doing it." Koreans also theorize that the reason MHJ kept emphasizing she wouldn't kill herself at the press conference was in case something were to happen to her the public would know it wasn't her doing.

here is a korean thread I noticed that is still up, I saw some others I was taking note of have the accounts go private or get deleted. It's also extremely bizarre that the thread that started this all, that now has upwards of 50 million views on Twitter, has like no Korean articles written up about it.



this goes all into more detail about the cult, its connection to a cyber university the cult leader runs, and how a large number of Hybe idols have attended said university. There is so much going on in the thread and some of it is prob like the weverse/phoning thing imo. But there is a decent amount of substance to this to make it believable.

Ah, I almost forgot to mention. I did think it was bizarre that immediately after the press conference out of all organizations the one MHJ chose to go to was a CBS radio, christian broadcasting. Netizens suspect that was intentional too.

Adding, another thing I saw was that apparently at the Apple event they threatened to take away, MHJ hired an abnormally large amount of bodyguards. Hyb3 has officially announced they are going to take legal action for defamation against BT$, so suspect more threads and videos on this to get taken down quick. (Also I recommend censoring names here just in case)

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Da when i read the translation, that exactly what my first thought; someone want to kill her that's why she keep saying she won't kill herself. That's how dirty, evil this industry is.

DA Can someone post that translation? Is it this https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/ne ... ce/2033613 or was there a more comprehensive one or just tweets?

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It was always uneventful though, which is the big difference with illit

DA they're both boring with weak vocals. They make boring ringtone/tiktok music. But apparently enough people love that shit.

Da. I mean that’s your opinion, I absolutely love everything newjeans has put out and I’m a very eclectic music consumer.

There’s a reason why critics love them and it for sure isn’t because they put out “boring tiktok music”, that’s your take bc you probably enjoy noisier stuff and can’t catch the nuances and references in newjeans music.

Da critics loving them means absolutely nothing. Most of them get paid by big companies to write praise about kpop groups and their music. Just like how critics aren’t allowed to write anything bad about Taylor swift

This person must be living under a rock.

Critics aren't allowed to write anything bad about Taylor Swift

? When there's literally a reporter who came out recently that said they were encouraged to unfairly criticize her and her work just for engagement especially after 2016 happened.

Even just this recent album rollout all they've been writing about aren't even about her music or albums anymore but just going on and on about how she's a billionaire meanwhile Beyonce or Jay-Z doesn't get that treatment at all.

NewJeans may be paying people for payola but I doubt they pay critics because they don't care enough for that. No one takes Kpop seriously already why would they bother to have that image now?

DA. Taylor Swift’s rabid fanbase is similar to Kpop fandoms where they’re insane enough to dox and harass the reviewers and their family members. A recent magazine decided to hide the identity of a reviewer who gave Taylor a bad review, and Swifties responded by harassing random people working there and threatened to bomb the place. That’s enough reason for many people to not give honest reviews for artists with a rabid fanbase.

On top of that, these publications are afraid of losing exclusive access to the artist if they get too upset with the review. Look at how much glazing The Rolling Stones did for Taylor’s latest album despite it being mediocre shit (even her fans are calling it her weakest album).

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I actually believe this

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I actually believe this

lol i said that at the top of this thread. i believe it, you know why? because hybe mastered the intl kpop fans manipulation

they know certain sites can influence the tide of discussion

hybemind is seriously amazing though. hybe stans are so delusional they will defend the company like crazy. i mean mhj isn't faultless but homie will get assassinated and these hybe stans will celebrate it, that's how twisted they are