Korean Entertainment - Part II

[Guest]

SPOILERSPOILER

NJ music is getting more and more mid and uneventful. Nice, but kind of shop mall background music.

It was always uneventful though, which is the big difference with illit

DA they're both boring with weak vocals. They make boring ringtone/tiktok music. But apparently enough people love that shit.

Da. I mean that’s your opinion, I absolutely love everything newjeans has put out and I’m a very eclectic music consumer.

There’s a reason why critics love them and it for sure isn’t because they put out “boring tiktok music”, that’s your take bc you probably enjoy noisier stuff and can’t catch the nuances and references in newjeans music.

Da critics loving them means absolutely nothing. Most of them get paid by big companies to write praise about kpop groups and their music. Just like how critics aren’t allowed to write anything bad about Taylor swift

da what helps them most is simply being under hybe and thus having a broader reach. Most my friends who are into music but not super into k-pop know and like NewJeans. The marketing for them was good.

[Guest]

What's the consensus if any on
Sohyun (triple s)
Yuqi (gidle)
Soyeon (gidle)
Siyeon (dreamcatcher)
Dami (dreamcatcher)
Moon Sua (billlie)
Xiao Ting (kepler)

Sohyun: IDK yet. She seems pretty fresh as potentially sus. I'd consider her one to watch potentially.

Yuqi: Either a very secure straight woman or repressed and now exploring bisexuality. She hangs around other gay women, and like that other anon said, even if her song had a gotcha, she was down to pick out a song for her solo that had her singing her ass off about another woman. I know some people think it's laughing in the face of the gays, but IDK, I feel like the joke's kind of on her because it really just does sound fucking gay even if she was actually trying to no-homo herself at the end.

Soyeon: Bisexual but seems to prefer dating men. Hasn't alluded to an interest in women since releasing Oh My God but I still think she's bi.

Siyeon: She pings and has vibes + receipts. Lesbian or strongly sapphic.

Dami: She's always pinged to me but IDK her receipts.

Moon Sua: I don't think Billie gets discussed here much, but I'd be interested to hear more about them.

Xiao Ting: Another group that doesn't get much discussion so I don't know much about their members.

[Guest]

What's the consensus if any on
Sohyun (triple s)
Yuqi (gidle)
Soyeon (gidle)
Siyeon (dreamcatcher)
Dami (dreamcatcher)
Moon Sua (billlie)
Xiao Ting (kepler)

Sohyun: i don't know the group well nor her but so far she gives straight, who has questioned/is questioning herself, arthoe, makes every single thing a poem type of girl.

Yuqi: bisexual. That song idgaf if it goes no homo at the end, it's a solo song i presume she chose or wrote, she could've done any other song. If it's gay fanservice it's lame. I think she's bi and maybe wishes she was more out or whatever.

Soyeon: bi

Siyeon: lesbian, i'm gonna trust dc fans + gives lesbian vibes.

Dami: no idea tbh but some people say she's gay too...

Moon sua : no idea.

Xiao ting: wow... I'd say she's straight but open minded. I don't know much of her but I know she has no problem with gay fanservice at all, but I see her more as having fun (straight) than her actually being gay

She's actually homophobic

[Guest]

What's the consensus if any on
Sohyun (triple s)
Yuqi (gidle)
Soyeon (gidle)
Siyeon (dreamcatcher)
Dami (dreamcatcher)
Moon Sua (billlie)
Xiao Ting (kepler)

Sohyun: i don't know the group well nor her but so far she gives straight, who has questioned/is questioning herself, arthoe, makes every single thing a poem type of girl.

Yuqi: bisexual. That song idgaf if it goes no homo at the end, it's a solo song i presume she chose or wrote, she could've done any other song. If it's gay fanservice it's lame. I think she's bi and maybe wishes she was more out or whatever.

Soyeon: bi

Siyeon: lesbian, i'm gonna trust dc fans + gives lesbian vibes.

Dami: no idea tbh but some people say she's gay too...

Moon sua : no idea.

Xiao ting: wow... I'd say she's straight but open minded. I don't know much of her but I know she has no problem with gay fanservice at all, but I see her more as having fun (straight) than her actually being gay

She's actually homophobic

Well prove it or shut up

[Guest]

I often forget Kepler's Yujin but I believe she's gay or at least bi. She gaybaits so much but it's too much for being het.
Also this one lesbian role, she gaybaits but it's "conscious" gaybait. Does anyone know if she ever mentioned men or something? Wore any lgbt shit or whatnot? Is it just fanservice?

[Guest]

What's the consensus if any on
Sohyun (triple s)
Yuqi (gidle)
Soyeon (gidle)
Siyeon (dreamcatcher)
Dami (dreamcatcher)
Moon Sua (billlie)
Xiao Ting (kepler)

Sohyun: i don't know the group well nor her but so far she gives straight, who has questioned/is questioning herself, arthoe, makes every single thing a poem type of girl.

Yuqi: bisexual. That song idgaf if it goes no homo at the end, it's a solo song i presume she chose or wrote, she could've done any other song. If it's gay fanservice it's lame. I think she's bi and maybe wishes she was more out or whatever.

Soyeon: bi

Siyeon: lesbian, i'm gonna trust dc fans + gives lesbian vibes.

Dami: no idea tbh but some people say she's gay too...

Moon sua : no idea.

Xiao ting: wow... I'd say she's straight but open minded. I don't know much of her but I know she has no problem with gay fanservice at all, but I see her more as having fun (straight) than her actually being gay

She's actually homophobic

Well prove it or shut up

[Guest]

Koreans being on MHJ side makes sense when you conclude they don't think she is a p3do, cause that has always been the strongest point against her character for international fans. Otherwise, everything she said makes sense and definitely paints HYBE as the issue.

SPOILERSPOILER

She initially joined Big Hit as the chief brand officer, not Source Music. Likely with the intention she would be making a girl group at Big Hit. But then Bang told her they would buy labels and debut girl groups under those because BT$ fans are jealous teenagers. So then she started to plan out a group under Source Music which they had bought, but then he came in again and said we are debuting a girl group under Source Music with these IZ0NE girls. He thought she was going to agree to being in charge of that but it went against her vision, plus she was mad it would screw over the trainees at Source Music, it would effectively mean many of those, if not all of the NewJeans girls would not debut. So MHJ demanded her own label so she could carry on her original vision. She insists she only took Minji and that the other girls later joined the company via auditions (though I think she likely also took Hanni) regardless the amount of trainees she took should not have so severely bankrupted Source Music that they'd need to disband Gfriend, that was on them for being poorly managed to begin with.

As time passes she notices many little moments between her, the CEO, and Bang that suggest their relationship has soured and they are trying to sabotage her group in small ways. She was promised that her group would be the one to debut first but then they decide to debut their thrown together group first instead (and we know it truly was thrown together, Kazuha had only 6 months of training). Texts suggesting they want to use her to take down competitors and the biggest one being the text showing jealousy over NewJeans reaching Billboard before Le Sserafim. Reminder, it's clear Bang had promised LSFM big things considering those girls went on Knowing Brothers claiming one of their goals was getting a Grammy. Iirc they also had going to Coachella as a goal too.

Meanwhile, her group is growing and so is her label's value. It's known she has male trainees and potential plans for a boy group debut. So she starts looking into selling her shares which is where contract disputes begin as her shares haven't vested yet. Not only that but for 5% of them they also require Hybe's permission to sell. She starts working with lawyers to rework this contract cause she realizes how much it fucks her over. Despite her lawyers advising her not to do so, she sends in an internal complaint when ILLIT debuts and she can tell the concepts are way too similar and close to NewJeans comeback to simply be a coincidence. Hybe then retorts back demanding she resign and performs an internal audit. She goes haywire because resigning with the current contract she has effectively means being blacklisted from the k-pop industry.

Simply resigning does not make her shares disappear. With a non-compete clause she can not work anywhere else if she has the shares. Hybe claims they tried to renegotiate the 5% but did not state in their reply what the date for renegotiation would be, all we know is it's a later time than the 13% she can sell by Q4 this year. Right now, Hybe are working hard to try to prove she has done something illegal(this is why she brought up the whole company card thing during the press conference and that they'll only find her late night dinners on there), if they can do that then those shares would be relinquished and at a price lower than market value.

They have also been smearing her in various ways, like claiming she hasn't returned her laptop for audit when she states the date for her to return is different from everyone else. And then dropping the shaman meetup right as her press conference began, perhaps they thought she wouldn't be able to counter that so quickly hence the timing of it. After her press conference they initially said in their statement there was nothing of worth to respond to that she had said, but then later they decided to go through a bunch of points with their lawyer speak.

So in a way they are correct, this is about money, but moreso for Hybe than it is for her. For her, she is focused on if she can continue working in this industry or not.

Ig my only question would be why they would have given her so much power to begin with. It's clear from her time at SM that LSM was smart to never give her a role too big. You don't really give that type of stuff to the overly passionate, overly involved creative types. Especially someone like MHJ who lives vicariously through the idols she produces. We know she also gets offended on NewJeans behalf a lot. Such as that whole awards show fiasco where she was mad she won an award at a show but none of the members/group did. And it's so obvious when there is a scandal she's the one writing those huge defensive posts defending them (Cookie one).

[Guest]

What's the consensus if any on
Sohyun (triple s)
Yuqi (gidle)
Soyeon (gidle)
Siyeon (dreamcatcher)
Dami (dreamcatcher)
Moon Sua (billlie)
Xiao Ting (kepler)

Sohyun- gives me het over zealous ally for now. But I can see her turning out to be fam. I don't follow them well enough just yet so probably there is stuff I don't know yet.

Yuqi- even the anon who brought up the stylist stuff isn't sure if anything means anything cause the only actually sus thing there was the elevator. A lot of idols do wear their stylist's clothes etc. Very confused about her.

Soyeon- agreed with others. She is bi with a male preference. Like she is sapphic enough to acknowledge she finds women attractive but will probably not date one.

Siyeon- pings through the roof in person. She is either a lesbian or bi with a very strong preference for women. Its not just vibes either, she's been caught on camera checking out women multiple times. That woman is not het.

Dami- at the very least she is bi. She doesn't ping as hard as Siyeon does but she's been changing het lyrics to make them gayer in covers since forever and Siyeon made a remark about her that she knows how to keep a woman happy or something.

Moon Sua- I would actually like to know about her too, I really like her and she has that face.

Xiao Ting- het. I disagree on her being homophobic though, maybe hetnormative. She is close to Handong and DC don't stay friends with homophobic people (eg. the Sera/DC fallout which didn't even come out of private discord chats and Sera's patreon).

[Guest]

Koreans being on MHJ side makes sense when you conclude they don't think she is a p3do, cause that has always been the strongest point against her character for international fans. Otherwise, everything she said makes sense and definitely paints HYBE as the issue.

SPOILERSPOILER

She initially joined Big Hit as the chief brand officer, not Source Music. Likely with the intention she would be making a girl group at Big Hit. But then Bang told her they would buy labels and debut girl groups under those because BT$ fans are jealous teenagers. So then she started to plan out a group under Source Music which they had bought, but then he came in again and said we are debuting a girl group under Source Music with these IZ0NE girls. He thought she was going to agree to being in charge of that but it went against her vision, plus she was mad it would screw over the trainees at Source Music, it would effectively mean many of those, if not all of the NewJeans girls would not debut. So MHJ demanded her own label so she could carry on her original vision. She insists she only took Minji and that the other girls later joined the company via auditions (though I think she likely also took Hanni) regardless the amount of trainees she took should not have so severely bankrupted Source Music that they'd need to disband Gfriend, that was on them for being poorly managed to begin with.

As time passes she notices many little moments between her, the CEO, and Bang that suggest their relationship has soured and they are trying to sabotage her group in small ways. She was promised that her group would be the one to debut first but then they decide to debut their thrown together group first instead (and we know it truly was thrown together, Kazuha had only 6 months of training). Texts suggesting they want to use her to take down competitors and the biggest one being the text showing jealousy over NewJeans reaching Billboard before Le Sserafim. Reminder, it's clear Bang had promised LSFM big things considering those girls went on Knowing Brothers claiming one of their goals was getting a Grammy. Iirc they also had going to Coachella as a goal too.

Meanwhile, her group is growing and so is her label's value. It's known she has male trainees and potential plans for a boy group debut. So she starts looking into selling her shares which is where contract disputes begin as her shares haven't vested yet. Not only that but for 5% of them they also require Hybe's permission to sell. She starts working with lawyers to rework this contract cause she realizes how much it fucks her over. Despite her lawyers advising her not to do so, she sends in an internal complaint when ILLIT debuts and she can tell the concepts are way too similar and close to NewJeans comeback to simply be a coincidence. Hybe then retorts back demanding she resign and performs an internal audit. She goes haywire because resigning with the current contract she has effectively means being blacklisted from the k-pop industry.

Simply resigning does not make her shares disappear. With a non-compete clause she can not work anywhere else if she has the shares. Hybe claims they tried to renegotiate the 5% but did not state in their reply what the date for renegotiation would be, all we know is it's a later time than the 13% she can sell by Q4 this year. Right now, Hybe are working hard to try to prove she has done something illegal(this is why she brought up the whole company card thing during the press conference and that they'll only find her late night dinners on there), if they can do that then those shares would be relinquished and at a price lower than market value.

They have also been smearing her in various ways, like claiming she hasn't returned her laptop for audit when she states the date for her to return is different from everyone else. And then dropping the shaman meetup right as her press conference began, perhaps they thought she wouldn't be able to counter that so quickly hence the timing of it. After her press conference they initially said in their statement there was nothing of worth to respond to that she had said, but then later they decided to go through a bunch of points with their lawyer speak.

So in a way they are correct, this is about money, but moreso for Hybe than it is for her. For her, she is focused on if she can continue working in this industry or not.

Ig my only question would be why they would have given her so much power to begin with. It's clear from her time at SM that LSM was smart to never give her a role too big. You don't really give that type of stuff to the overly passionate, overly involved creative types. Especially someone like MHJ who lives vicariously through the idols she produces. We know she also gets offended on NewJeans behalf a lot. Such as that whole awards show fiasco where she was mad she won an award at a show but none of the members/group did. And it's so obvious when there is a scandal she's the one writing those huge defensive posts defending them (Cookie one).

Koreans being on MHJ side proves nothing. They also love Zico and he’s a known as a digital monster there despite being known as the golden phone. Basically filming r*pe videos on his phone. The squid game actor also won some prestigious award despite assaulting his ex

[Guest]

Koreans being on MHJ side makes sense when you conclude they don't think she is a p3do, cause that has always been the strongest point against her character for international fans. Otherwise, everything she said makes sense and definitely paints HYBE as the issue.

SPOILERSPOILER

She initially joined Big Hit as the chief brand officer, not Source Music. Likely with the intention she would be making a girl group at Big Hit. But then Bang told her they would buy labels and debut girl groups under those because BT$ fans are jealous teenagers. So then she started to plan out a group under Source Music which they had bought, but then he came in again and said we are debuting a girl group under Source Music with these IZ0NE girls. He thought she was going to agree to being in charge of that but it went against her vision, plus she was mad it would screw over the trainees at Source Music, it would effectively mean many of those, if not all of the NewJeans girls would not debut. So MHJ demanded her own label so she could carry on her original vision. She insists she only took Minji and that the other girls later joined the company via auditions (though I think she likely also took Hanni) regardless the amount of trainees she took should not have so severely bankrupted Source Music that they'd need to disband Gfriend, that was on them for being poorly managed to begin with.

As time passes she notices many little moments between her, the CEO, and Bang that suggest their relationship has soured and they are trying to sabotage her group in small ways. She was promised that her group would be the one to debut first but then they decide to debut their thrown together group first instead (and we know it truly was thrown together, Kazuha had only 6 months of training). Texts suggesting they want to use her to take down competitors and the biggest one being the text showing jealousy over NewJeans reaching Billboard before Le Sserafim. Reminder, it's clear Bang had promised LSFM big things considering those girls went on Knowing Brothers claiming one of their goals was getting a Grammy. Iirc they also had going to Coachella as a goal too.

Meanwhile, her group is growing and so is her label's value. It's known she has male trainees and potential plans for a boy group debut. So she starts looking into selling her shares which is where contract disputes begin as her shares haven't vested yet. Not only that but for 5% of them they also require Hybe's permission to sell. She starts working with lawyers to rework this contract cause she realizes how much it fucks her over. Despite her lawyers advising her not to do so, she sends in an internal complaint when ILLIT debuts and she can tell the concepts are way too similar and close to NewJeans comeback to simply be a coincidence. Hybe then retorts back demanding she resign and performs an internal audit. She goes haywire because resigning with the current contract she has effectively means being blacklisted from the k-pop industry.

Simply resigning does not make her shares disappear. With a non-compete clause she can not work anywhere else if she has the shares. Hybe claims they tried to renegotiate the 5% but did not state in their reply what the date for renegotiation would be, all we know is it's a later time than the 13% she can sell by Q4 this year. Right now, Hybe are working hard to try to prove she has done something illegal(this is why she brought up the whole company card thing during the press conference and that they'll only find her late night dinners on there), if they can do that then those shares would be relinquished and at a price lower than market value.

They have also been smearing her in various ways, like claiming she hasn't returned her laptop for audit when she states the date for her to return is different from everyone else. And then dropping the shaman meetup right as her press conference began, perhaps they thought she wouldn't be able to counter that so quickly hence the timing of it. After her press conference they initially said in their statement there was nothing of worth to respond to that she had said, but then later they decided to go through a bunch of points with their lawyer speak.

So in a way they are correct, this is about money, but moreso for Hybe than it is for her. For her, she is focused on if she can continue working in this industry or not.

Ig my only question would be why they would have given her so much power to begin with. It's clear from her time at SM that LSM was smart to never give her a role too big. You don't really give that type of stuff to the overly passionate, overly involved creative types. Especially someone like MHJ who lives vicariously through the idols she produces. We know she also gets offended on NewJeans behalf a lot. Such as that whole awards show fiasco where she was mad she won an award at a show but none of the members/group did. And it's so obvious when there is a scandal she's the one writing those huge defensive posts defending them (Cookie one).

Koreans being on MHJ side proves nothing. They also love Zico and he’s a known as a digital monster there despite being known as the golden phone. Basically filming r*pe videos on his phone. The squid game actor also won some prestigious award despite assaulting his ex

Exactly, they don't care about any sexual crimes or allegations of grooming. Once you ignore those then it makes sense why they side with her.

Also, I hate Z*co and consider him rapey and homophobic (he was extremely so towards one of his members when Bl0ck B was still around) but the phone wasn't his. It was some other guys who got convicted and he looked through it and called it a "golden phone" then lied and said he was amazed by his contact list.

[Guest]

What's the consensus if any on
Sohyun (triple s)
Yuqi (gidle)
Soyeon (gidle)
Siyeon (dreamcatcher)
Dami (dreamcatcher)
Moon Sua (billlie)
Xiao Ting (kepler)

Sohyun: i don't know the group well nor her but so far she gives straight, who has questioned/is questioning herself, arthoe, makes every single thing a poem type of girl.

Yuqi: bisexual. That song idgaf if it goes no homo at the end, it's a solo song i presume she chose or wrote, she could've done any other song. If it's gay fanservice it's lame. I think she's bi and maybe wishes she was more out or whatever.

Soyeon: bi

Siyeon: lesbian, i'm gonna trust dc fans + gives lesbian vibes.

Dami: no idea tbh but some people say she's gay too...

Moon sua : no idea.

Xiao ting: wow... I'd say she's straight but open minded. I don't know much of her but I know she has no problem with gay fanservice at all, but I see her more as having fun (straight) than her actually being gay

She's actually homophobic

Well prove it or shut up

da How is that homophobic? She's right? What am I missing?

[Guest]

Min Heejin: Sihyuk said.
Sihyuk: "Big Hit has a lot of female fans because of BTS. We can't make girl group here. Because female fans might be jealous of girl groups. We have to make a girl group label. There is a team that already exists. I will buy a source music label. There is a trainee. If we use an existing trainee, we can make a debut team quickly. Creative is Min, music is Sihyuk, and management is done by the source.

I really want to comment on this quote by Sihyuk because it's a a very common misconception. "Women hate prettier women," and "Women are cruel to each other." It goes without saying that it's an self-fulfilling prophecy. If you raise girls in an ecosystem where you pit them against each other, they're inevitably going to develop hostility towards each other.

There is also this idea that women don't want to admire/cheer for/support other women. I remember this quote from Michael Jackson about Madonna when they were at similar levels of success in the industry, he said something along the lines of, "They admire you and know you are wonderful and great because they are jealous, because they wish they were in your shoes. Madonna is one of them. She is jealous. She is a girl, a woman and I think that's what bothers her...I get the fainting and adulation and she doesn't." His justification for that was that men don't faint and scream because they are too cool for that, and that women don't scream for other women... I truly enjoy how the success of female entertainers in the west. Girl groups have eclipsed boy groups once they've started targeting a female audience, and the biggest entertainers of this century are women. Girls do scream and faint at Taylor Swift's concerts.

Anyway. Women should support other women. Men are thankless.

SPOILERSPOILER

They really thought women can't love women.

da But they were right, when it comes to armys they do hate women. Gfriend received so much hate from them because btass mentioned giving food for them once.

[Guest]

Koreans being on MHJ side makes sense when you conclude they don't think she is a p3do, cause that has always been the strongest point against her character for international fans. Otherwise, everything she said makes sense and definitely paints HYBE as the issue.

SPOILERSPOILER

She initially joined Big Hit as the chief brand officer, not Source Music. Likely with the intention she would be making a girl group at Big Hit. But then Bang told her they would buy labels and debut girl groups under those because BT$ fans are jealous teenagers. So then she started to plan out a group under Source Music which they had bought, but then he came in again and said we are debuting a girl group under Source Music with these IZ0NE girls. He thought she was going to agree to being in charge of that but it went against her vision, plus she was mad it would screw over the trainees at Source Music, it would effectively mean many of those, if not all of the NewJeans girls would not debut. So MHJ demanded her own label so she could carry on her original vision. She insists she only took Minji and that the other girls later joined the company via auditions (though I think she likely also took Hanni) regardless the amount of trainees she took should not have so severely bankrupted Source Music that they'd need to disband Gfriend, that was on them for being poorly managed to begin with.

As time passes she notices many little moments between her, the CEO, and Bang that suggest their relationship has soured and they are trying to sabotage her group in small ways. She was promised that her group would be the one to debut first but then they decide to debut their thrown together group first instead (and we know it truly was thrown together, Kazuha had only 6 months of training). Texts suggesting they want to use her to take down competitors and the biggest one being the text showing jealousy over NewJeans reaching Billboard before Le Sserafim. Reminder, it's clear Bang had promised LSFM big things considering those girls went on Knowing Brothers claiming one of their goals was getting a Grammy. Iirc they also had going to Coachella as a goal too.

Meanwhile, her group is growing and so is her label's value. It's known she has male trainees and potential plans for a boy group debut. So she starts looking into selling her shares which is where contract disputes begin as her shares haven't vested yet. Not only that but for 5% of them they also require Hybe's permission to sell. She starts working with lawyers to rework this contract cause she realizes how much it fucks her over. Despite her lawyers advising her not to do so, she sends in an internal complaint when ILLIT debuts and she can tell the concepts are way too similar and close to NewJeans comeback to simply be a coincidence. Hybe then retorts back demanding she resign and performs an internal audit. She goes haywire because resigning with the current contract she has effectively means being blacklisted from the k-pop industry.

Simply resigning does not make her shares disappear. With a non-compete clause she can not work anywhere else if she has the shares. Hybe claims they tried to renegotiate the 5% but did not state in their reply what the date for renegotiation would be, all we know is it's a later time than the 13% she can sell by Q4 this year. Right now, Hybe are working hard to try to prove she has done something illegal(this is why she brought up the whole company card thing during the press conference and that they'll only find her late night dinners on there), if they can do that then those shares would be relinquished and at a price lower than market value.

They have also been smearing her in various ways, like claiming she hasn't returned her laptop for audit when she states the date for her to return is different from everyone else. And then dropping the shaman meetup right as her press conference began, perhaps they thought she wouldn't be able to counter that so quickly hence the timing of it. After her press conference they initially said in their statement there was nothing of worth to respond to that she had said, but then later they decided to go through a bunch of points with their lawyer speak.

So in a way they are correct, this is about money, but moreso for Hybe than it is for her. For her, she is focused on if she can continue working in this industry or not.

Ig my only question would be why they would have given her so much power to begin with. It's clear from her time at SM that LSM was smart to never give her a role too big. You don't really give that type of stuff to the overly passionate, overly involved creative types. Especially someone like MHJ who lives vicariously through the idols she produces. We know she also gets offended on NewJeans behalf a lot. Such as that whole awards show fiasco where she was mad she won an award at a show but none of the members/group did. And it's so obvious when there is a scandal she's the one writing those huge defensive posts defending them (Cookie one).

DA
Corrections : 4 oldest newjeans members were preparing to debut as NJ in Source until BHS decided to scrap the project and make a new one around the 2 izone girls (fatmanbang pdnim quite obviously decided he was going to copy IVE and get his own group of 170+ girls with 2 izone members).
Hyein is the only one that was only ever in ador.
And apparently ador paid back source for the training i think one if the articles said? Anyway, the real reason gfiend disbanded is because the men with actual power at source thought getting sakura on board and flying people around to europe to recruit a girl with a pretty face and no idol training was the better investment.

[Guest]

Min Heejin: Sihyuk said.
Sihyuk: "Big Hit has a lot of female fans because of BTS. We can't make girl group here. Because female fans might be jealous of girl groups. We have to make a girl group label. There is a team that already exists. I will buy a source music label. There is a trainee. If we use an existing trainee, we can make a debut team quickly. Creative is Min, music is Sihyuk, and management is done by the source.

I really want to comment on this quote by Sihyuk because it's a a very common misconception. "Women hate prettier women," and "Women are cruel to each other." It goes without saying that it's an self-fulfilling prophecy. If you raise girls in an ecosystem where you pit them against each other, they're inevitably going to develop hostility towards each other.

There is also this idea that women don't want to admire/cheer for/support other women. I remember this quote from Michael Jackson about Madonna when they were at similar levels of success in the industry, he said something along the lines of, "They admire you and know you are wonderful and great because they are jealous, because they wish they were in your shoes. Madonna is one of them. She is jealous. She is a girl, a woman and I think that's what bothers her...I get the fainting and adulation and she doesn't." His justification for that was that men don't faint and scream because they are too cool for that, and that women don't scream for other women... I truly enjoy how the success of female entertainers in the west. Girl groups have eclipsed boy groups once they've started targeting a female audience, and the biggest entertainers of this century are women. Girls do scream and faint at Taylor Swift's concerts.

Anyway. Women should support other women. Men are thankless.

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They really thought women can't love women.

da But they were right, when it comes to armys they do hate women. Gfriend received so much hate from them because btass mentioned giving food for them once.

I mean that there are women who can love women and most probably have same sex attraction too. That MJ quote hypothesized that it was rare to witness women showing adulation towards female artists. Crazy BG stans are the type of women whom you don't want to get tangled. Nobody calls them out because patriarchy loves them.

[Guest]

What's the consensus if any on
Sohyun (triple s)
Yuqi (gidle)
Soyeon (gidle)
Siyeon (dreamcatcher)
Dami (dreamcatcher)
Moon Sua (billlie)
Xiao Ting (kepler)

Sohyun: IDK yet. She seems pretty fresh as potentially sus. I'd consider her one to watch potentially.

Yuqi: Either a very secure straight woman or repressed and now exploring bisexuality. She hangs around other gay women, and like that other anon said, even if her song had a gotcha, she was down to pick out a song for her solo that had her singing her ass off about another woman. I know some people think it's laughing in the face of the gays, but IDK, I feel like the joke's kind of on her because it really just does sound fucking gay even if she was actually trying to no-homo herself at the end.

Soyeon: Bisexual but seems to prefer dating men. Hasn't alluded to an interest in women since releasing Oh My God but I still think she's bi.

Siyeon: She pings and has vibes + receipts. Lesbian or strongly sapphic.

Dami: She's always pinged to me but IDK her receipts.

Moon Sua: I don't think Billie gets discussed here much, but I'd be interested to hear more about them.

Xiao Ting: Another group that doesn't get much discussion so I don't know much about their members.

Agreed on everything here, we really need some billlie and kepler fans to speak up and give us some deets. Sohyun is someone I have my eye on for now as well.

No one can change my mind that Siyeon had a crush on Sua, she spent way too many years gushing about how attractive Sua was to anyone who'd listen for it to be entirely platonic admiration on her end. There was a reason why people genuinely believed suayeon was real back in the day and a lot of it had to do with how Siyeon acted around her rather than the fanservice.

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Sua is naturally clingy, affectionate and is constantly climbing onto her members to hug them like a koala or forcing physical affection on them all the time, but Siyeon would turn up the flirting, give off serious gay vibes and just behave in a very girlfriend like manner that she didn't used to with others. All this while Sua kept gushing about her ideal men in interviews

Dami's receipts aren't that strong but imo decent enough to be taken into consideration given that they are consistent. She built her idol career partly on the premise that she needed to get close to snsd. Siyeon said Dami knows women's hearts well, she changed the lyrics of pepermint chocolate from a girl like me and a boy like you to a girl like me and a girl like you all the way back in 2017, she said she prefers concepts that target women specifically, she, like Siyeon and Yoohyeon, picks up on subtle queer cues immediately and flusters really hard around women she admires. She has done wlw special clips too (love me or leave me where she and Yoohyeon play a couple in the middle of a break up, ping pong cover with Siyeon where she takes on Dawn's parts).

[Guest]

Koreans being on MHJ side makes sense when you conclude they don't think she is a p3do, cause that has always been the strongest point against her character for international fans. Otherwise, everything she said makes sense and definitely paints HYBE as the issue.

SPOILERSPOILER

She initially joined Big Hit as the chief brand officer, not Source Music. Likely with the intention she would be making a girl group at Big Hit. But then Bang told her they would buy labels and debut girl groups under those because BT$ fans are jealous teenagers. So then she started to plan out a group under Source Music which they had bought, but then he came in again and said we are debuting a girl group under Source Music with these IZ0NE girls. He thought she was going to agree to being in charge of that but it went against her vision, plus she was mad it would screw over the trainees at Source Music, it would effectively mean many of those, if not all of the NewJeans girls would not debut. So MHJ demanded her own label so she could carry on her original vision. She insists she only took Minji and that the other girls later joined the company via auditions (though I think she likely also took Hanni) regardless the amount of trainees she took should not have so severely bankrupted Source Music that they'd need to disband Gfriend, that was on them for being poorly managed to begin with.

As time passes she notices many little moments between her, the CEO, and Bang that suggest their relationship has soured and they are trying to sabotage her group in small ways. She was promised that her group would be the one to debut first but then they decide to debut their thrown together group first instead (and we know it truly was thrown together, Kazuha had only 6 months of training). Texts suggesting they want to use her to take down competitors and the biggest one being the text showing jealousy over NewJeans reaching Billboard before Le Sserafim. Reminder, it's clear Bang had promised LSFM big things considering those girls went on Knowing Brothers claiming one of their goals was getting a Grammy. Iirc they also had going to Coachella as a goal too.

Meanwhile, her group is growing and so is her label's value. It's known she has male trainees and potential plans for a boy group debut. So she starts looking into selling her shares which is where contract disputes begin as her shares haven't vested yet. Not only that but for 5% of them they also require Hybe's permission to sell. She starts working with lawyers to rework this contract cause she realizes how much it fucks her over. Despite her lawyers advising her not to do so, she sends in an internal complaint when ILLIT debuts and she can tell the concepts are way too similar and close to NewJeans comeback to simply be a coincidence. Hybe then retorts back demanding she resign and performs an internal audit. She goes haywire because resigning with the current contract she has effectively means being blacklisted from the k-pop industry.

Simply resigning does not make her shares disappear. With a non-compete clause she can not work anywhere else if she has the shares. Hybe claims they tried to renegotiate the 5% but did not state in their reply what the date for renegotiation would be, all we know is it's a later time than the 13% she can sell by Q4 this year. Right now, Hybe are working hard to try to prove she has done something illegal(this is why she brought up the whole company card thing during the press conference and that they'll only find her late night dinners on there), if they can do that then those shares would be relinquished and at a price lower than market value.

They have also been smearing her in various ways, like claiming she hasn't returned her laptop for audit when she states the date for her to return is different from everyone else. And then dropping the shaman meetup right as her press conference began, perhaps they thought she wouldn't be able to counter that so quickly hence the timing of it. After her press conference they initially said in their statement there was nothing of worth to respond to that she had said, but then later they decided to go through a bunch of points with their lawyer speak.

So in a way they are correct, this is about money, but moreso for Hybe than it is for her. For her, she is focused on if she can continue working in this industry or not.

Ig my only question would be why they would have given her so much power to begin with. It's clear from her time at SM that LSM was smart to never give her a role too big. You don't really give that type of stuff to the overly passionate, overly involved creative types. Especially someone like MHJ who lives vicariously through the idols she produces. We know she also gets offended on NewJeans behalf a lot. Such as that whole awards show fiasco where she was mad she won an award at a show but none of the members/group did. And it's so obvious when there is a scandal she's the one writing those huge defensive posts defending them (Cookie one).

DA
Corrections : 4 oldest newjeans members were preparing to debut as NJ in Source until BHS decided to scrap the project and make a new one around the 2 izone girls (fatmanbang pdnim quite obviously decided he was going to copy IVE and get his own group of 170+ girls with 2 izone members).
Hyein is the only one that was only ever in ador.
And apparently ador paid back source for the training i think one if the articles said? Anyway, the real reason gfiend disbanded is because the men with actual power at source thought getting sakura on board and flying people around to europe to recruit a girl with a pretty face and no idol training was the better investment.

Da. He was recruiting the Izone girls (+ Minju but she rejected) since early 2021 before Izone even disbanded so I doubt he was trying to copy IVE but saw them as a threat to his little rushed Izone project.

[Guest]

Koreans being on MHJ side makes sense when you conclude they don't think she is a p3do, cause that has always been the strongest point against her character for international fans. Otherwise, everything she said makes sense and definitely paints HYBE as the issue.

SPOILERSPOILER

She initially joined Big Hit as the chief brand officer, not Source Music. Likely with the intention she would be making a girl group at Big Hit. But then Bang told her they would buy labels and debut girl groups under those because BT$ fans are jealous teenagers. So then she started to plan out a group under Source Music which they had bought, but then he came in again and said we are debuting a girl group under Source Music with these IZ0NE girls. He thought she was going to agree to being in charge of that but it went against her vision, plus she was mad it would screw over the trainees at Source Music, it would effectively mean many of those, if not all of the NewJeans girls would not debut. So MHJ demanded her own label so she could carry on her original vision. She insists she only took Minji and that the other girls later joined the company via auditions (though I think she likely also took Hanni) regardless the amount of trainees she took should not have so severely bankrupted Source Music that they'd need to disband Gfriend, that was on them for being poorly managed to begin with.

As time passes she notices many little moments between her, the CEO, and Bang that suggest their relationship has soured and they are trying to sabotage her group in small ways. She was promised that her group would be the one to debut first but then they decide to debut their thrown together group first instead (and we know it truly was thrown together, Kazuha had only 6 months of training). Texts suggesting they want to use her to take down competitors and the biggest one being the text showing jealousy over NewJeans reaching Billboard before Le Sserafim. Reminder, it's clear Bang had promised LSFM big things considering those girls went on Knowing Brothers claiming one of their goals was getting a Grammy. Iirc they also had going to Coachella as a goal too.

Meanwhile, her group is growing and so is her label's value. It's known she has male trainees and potential plans for a boy group debut. So she starts looking into selling her shares which is where contract disputes begin as her shares haven't vested yet. Not only that but for 5% of them they also require Hybe's permission to sell. She starts working with lawyers to rework this contract cause she realizes how much it fucks her over. Despite her lawyers advising her not to do so, she sends in an internal complaint when ILLIT debuts and she can tell the concepts are way too similar and close to NewJeans comeback to simply be a coincidence. Hybe then retorts back demanding she resign and performs an internal audit. She goes haywire because resigning with the current contract she has effectively means being blacklisted from the k-pop industry.

Simply resigning does not make her shares disappear. With a non-compete clause she can not work anywhere else if she has the shares. Hybe claims they tried to renegotiate the 5% but did not state in their reply what the date for renegotiation would be, all we know is it's a later time than the 13% she can sell by Q4 this year. Right now, Hybe are working hard to try to prove she has done something illegal(this is why she brought up the whole company card thing during the press conference and that they'll only find her late night dinners on there), if they can do that then those shares would be relinquished and at a price lower than market value.

They have also been smearing her in various ways, like claiming she hasn't returned her laptop for audit when she states the date for her to return is different from everyone else. And then dropping the shaman meetup right as her press conference began, perhaps they thought she wouldn't be able to counter that so quickly hence the timing of it. After her press conference they initially said in their statement there was nothing of worth to respond to that she had said, but then later they decided to go through a bunch of points with their lawyer speak.

So in a way they are correct, this is about money, but moreso for Hybe than it is for her. For her, she is focused on if she can continue working in this industry or not.

Ig my only question would be why they would have given her so much power to begin with. It's clear from her time at SM that LSM was smart to never give her a role too big. You don't really give that type of stuff to the overly passionate, overly involved creative types. Especially someone like MHJ who lives vicariously through the idols she produces. We know she also gets offended on NewJeans behalf a lot. Such as that whole awards show fiasco where she was mad she won an award at a show but none of the members/group did. And it's so obvious when there is a scandal she's the one writing those huge defensive posts defending them (Cookie one).

Wow, great explanation and insight. Besides her pedo tendencies, I think international fans are also pissed off that she name dropped other groups, so they rather side with HYBE and dismiss any valid claims that MHJ may have.

You’re right, she is the passionate creative type that has a very strong vision, and she probably hated how they kept trying to change it. Especially since Bang gave her the impression that she would have creative control. So that’s probably one of the reasons why she wanted to create ADOR cause she thought it would give her that freedom. CEO PJW was still friendly with her at that point and helped Bang and her compromise. Not sure what her contract was before ADOR, but likely didn’t have that strict non-compete so maybe she could have walked if she wasn’t so emotionally invested in pre-NJ. If they didn’t keep on trying to mess with her creative plans, she probably wouldn’t have tried to make ADOR because if her initial goal was to be a CEO she would have created her own company before ever signing with BigHit/Hybe.

[Guest]

Koreans being on MHJ side makes sense when you conclude they don't think she is a p3do, cause that has always been the strongest point against her character for international fans. Otherwise, everything she said makes sense and definitely paints HYBE as the issue.

SPOILERSPOILER

She initially joined Big Hit as the chief brand officer, not Source Music. Likely with the intention she would be making a girl group at Big Hit. But then Bang told her they would buy labels and debut girl groups under those because BT$ fans are jealous teenagers. So then she started to plan out a group under Source Music which they had bought, but then he came in again and said we are debuting a girl group under Source Music with these IZ0NE girls. He thought she was going to agree to being in charge of that but it went against her vision, plus she was mad it would screw over the trainees at Source Music, it would effectively mean many of those, if not all of the NewJeans girls would not debut. So MHJ demanded her own label so she could carry on her original vision. She insists she only took Minji and that the other girls later joined the company via auditions (though I think she likely also took Hanni) regardless the amount of trainees she took should not have so severely bankrupted Source Music that they'd need to disband Gfriend, that was on them for being poorly managed to begin with.

As time passes she notices many little moments between her, the CEO, and Bang that suggest their relationship has soured and they are trying to sabotage her group in small ways. She was promised that her group would be the one to debut first but then they decide to debut their thrown together group first instead (and we know it truly was thrown together, Kazuha had only 6 months of training). Texts suggesting they want to use her to take down competitors and the biggest one being the text showing jealousy over NewJeans reaching Billboard before Le Sserafim. Reminder, it's clear Bang had promised LSFM big things considering those girls went on Knowing Brothers claiming one of their goals was getting a Grammy. Iirc they also had going to Coachella as a goal too.

Meanwhile, her group is growing and so is her label's value. It's known she has male trainees and potential plans for a boy group debut. So she starts looking into selling her shares which is where contract disputes begin as her shares haven't vested yet. Not only that but for 5% of them they also require Hybe's permission to sell. She starts working with lawyers to rework this contract cause she realizes how much it fucks her over. Despite her lawyers advising her not to do so, she sends in an internal complaint when ILLIT debuts and she can tell the concepts are way too similar and close to NewJeans comeback to simply be a coincidence. Hybe then retorts back demanding she resign and performs an internal audit. She goes haywire because resigning with the current contract she has effectively means being blacklisted from the k-pop industry.

Simply resigning does not make her shares disappear. With a non-compete clause she can not work anywhere else if she has the shares. Hybe claims they tried to renegotiate the 5% but did not state in their reply what the date for renegotiation would be, all we know is it's a later time than the 13% she can sell by Q4 this year. Right now, Hybe are working hard to try to prove she has done something illegal(this is why she brought up the whole company card thing during the press conference and that they'll only find her late night dinners on there), if they can do that then those shares would be relinquished and at a price lower than market value.

They have also been smearing her in various ways, like claiming she hasn't returned her laptop for audit when she states the date for her to return is different from everyone else. And then dropping the shaman meetup right as her press conference began, perhaps they thought she wouldn't be able to counter that so quickly hence the timing of it. After her press conference they initially said in their statement there was nothing of worth to respond to that she had said, but then later they decided to go through a bunch of points with their lawyer speak.

So in a way they are correct, this is about money, but moreso for Hybe than it is for her. For her, she is focused on if she can continue working in this industry or not.

Ig my only question would be why they would have given her so much power to begin with. It's clear from her time at SM that LSM was smart to never give her a role too big. You don't really give that type of stuff to the overly passionate, overly involved creative types. Especially someone like MHJ who lives vicariously through the idols she produces. We know she also gets offended on NewJeans behalf a lot. Such as that whole awards show fiasco where she was mad she won an award at a show but none of the members/group did. And it's so obvious when there is a scandal she's the one writing those huge defensive posts defending them (Cookie one).

DA
Corrections : 4 oldest newjeans members were preparing to debut as NJ in Source until BHS decided to scrap the project and make a new one around the 2 izone girls (fatmanbang pdnim quite obviously decided he was going to copy IVE and get his own group of 170+ girls with 2 izone members).
Hyein is the only one that was only ever in ador.
And apparently ador paid back source for the training i think one if the articles said? Anyway, the real reason gfiend disbanded is because the men with actual power at source thought getting sakura on board and flying people around to europe to recruit a girl with a pretty face and no idol training was the better investment.

Tbh, he would be right to feel threatened. If NJ disbands, who's going to be the new Top Dog in the industry? Certainly not LSM. IVE or Aespa - most likely IVE.

[Guest]

What's the consensus if any on
Sohyun (triple s)
Yuqi (gidle)
Soyeon (gidle)
Siyeon (dreamcatcher)
Dami (dreamcatcher)
Moon Sua (billlie)
Xiao Ting (kepler)

Sohyun- gives me het over zealous ally for now. But I can see her turning out to be fam. I don't follow them well enough just yet so probably there is stuff I don't know yet.

Yuqi- even the anon who brought up the stylist stuff isn't sure if anything means anything cause the only actually sus thing there was the elevator. A lot of idols do wear their stylist's clothes etc. Very confused about her.

Soyeon- agreed with others. She is bi with a male preference. Like she is sapphic enough to acknowledge she finds women attractive but will probably not date one.

Siyeon- pings through the roof in person. She is either a lesbian or bi with a very strong preference for women. Its not just vibes either, she's been caught on camera checking out women multiple times. That woman is not het.

Dami- at the very least she is bi. She doesn't ping as hard as Siyeon does but she's been changing het lyrics to make them gayer in covers since forever and Siyeon made a remark about her that she knows how to keep a woman happy or something.

Moon Sua- I would actually like to know about her too, I really like her and she has that face.

Xiao Ting- het. I disagree on her being homophobic though, maybe hetnormative. She is close to Handong and DC don't stay friends with homophobic people (eg. the Sera/DC fallout which didn't even come out of private discord chats and Sera's patreon).

Xiao Ting is a friend of Tzuyu and I think Elkie is also a friend

[Guest]

What's the consensus if any on
Sohyun (triple s)
Yuqi (gidle)
Soyeon (gidle)
Siyeon (dreamcatcher)
Dami (dreamcatcher)
Moon Sua (billlie)
Xiao Ting (kepler)

Sohyun- gives me het over zealous ally for now. But I can see her turning out to be fam. I don't follow them well enough just yet so probably there is stuff I don't know yet.

Yuqi- even the anon who brought up the stylist stuff isn't sure if anything means anything cause the only actually sus thing there was the elevator. A lot of idols do wear their stylist's clothes etc. Very confused about her.

Soyeon- agreed with others. She is bi with a male preference. Like she is sapphic enough to acknowledge she finds women attractive but will probably not date one.

Siyeon- pings through the roof in person. She is either a lesbian or bi with a very strong preference for women. Its not just vibes either, she's been caught on camera checking out women multiple times. That woman is not het.

Dami- at the very least she is bi. She doesn't ping as hard as Siyeon does but she's been changing het lyrics to make them gayer in covers since forever and Siyeon made a remark about her that she knows how to keep a woman happy or something.

Moon Sua- I would actually like to know about her too, I really like her and she has that face.

Xiao Ting- het. I disagree on her being homophobic though, maybe hetnormative. She is close to Handong and DC don't stay friends with homophobic people (eg. the Sera/DC fallout which didn't even come out of private discord chats and Sera's patreon).

Xiao Ting is a friend of Tzuyu and I think Elkie is also a friend

The Chinese /Taiwanese/Hong Kong based idols all have a gc and hang out together (usually during Korean holidays when Korean members all go home or something). So yea most of them are friends with each other.

[Guest]

What's the consensus if any on
Sohyun (triple s)
Yuqi (gidle)
Soyeon (gidle)
Siyeon (dreamcatcher)
Dami (dreamcatcher)
Moon Sua (billlie)
Xiao Ting (kepler)

Sohyun: i don't know the group well nor her but so far she gives straight, who has questioned/is questioning herself, arthoe, makes every single thing a poem type of girl.

Yuqi: bisexual. That song idgaf if it goes no homo at the end, it's a solo song i presume she chose or wrote, she could've done any other song. If it's gay fanservice it's lame. I think she's bi and maybe wishes she was more out or whatever.

Soyeon: bi

Siyeon: lesbian, i'm gonna trust dc fans + gives lesbian vibes.

Dami: no idea tbh but some people say she's gay too...

Moon sua : no idea.

Xiao ting: wow... I'd say she's straight but open minded. I don't know much of her but I know she has no problem with gay fanservice at all, but I see her more as having fun (straight) than her actually being gay

She's actually homophobic

Well prove it or shut up

DA - So you'd be ok with some online incel asking you about an imaginary sexual relationship with your friend & co-worker that they made up in their heads. No wonder she was creeped out. Stop tagging idols in your fan fics and then getting offended that they think you are deranged.

Also, since you appear to be an ignorant I-fan: "China/South Korean national law does not recognize same-sex marriage or civil unions."

It's not homophobic when real people don't want to participate in your maladaptive daydream and tell you in polite terms to stop being a creep. Only a sick person who treats them like fantasy dolls would be offended by this.

[Guest]

SPOILERSPOILER

NJ music is getting more and more mid and uneventful. Nice, but kind of shop mall background music.

It was always uneventful though, which is the big difference with illit

DA they're both boring with weak vocals. They make boring ringtone/tiktok music. But apparently enough people love that shit.

Da. I mean that’s your opinion, I absolutely love everything newjeans has put out and I’m a very eclectic music consumer.

There’s a reason why critics love them and it for sure isn’t because they put out “boring tiktok music”, that’s your take bc you probably enjoy noisier stuff and can’t catch the nuances and references in newjeans music.

Da critics loving them means absolutely nothing. Most of them get paid by big companies to write praise about kpop groups and their music. Just like how critics aren’t allowed to write anything bad about Taylor swift

Right the payola must be exclusively for newjeans apparently cause lsrfm, BTS, SVT and the rest don’t get the same critics.
Also, I’m not talking just about critics I’m talking actual music buffs in sites like albumoftheyear or rateyourmusic (where taylor gets shitted on). Independent music producers that react to them on youtube as well etc. People who actually consume a lot of music.

But no one’s forcing you to like them lmao

[Guest]

It was always uneventful though, which is the big difference with illit

DA they're both boring with weak vocals. They make boring ringtone/tiktok music. But apparently enough people love that shit.

Da. I mean that’s your opinion, I absolutely love everything newjeans has put out and I’m a very eclectic music consumer.

There’s a reason why critics love them and it for sure isn’t because they put out “boring tiktok music”, that’s your take bc you probably enjoy noisier stuff and can’t catch the nuances and references in newjeans music.

Da critics loving them means absolutely nothing. Most of them get paid by big companies to write praise about kpop groups and their music. Just like how critics aren’t allowed to write anything bad about Taylor swift

Right the payola must be exclusively for newjeans apparently cause lsrfm, BTS, SVT and the rest don’t get the same critics.
Also, I’m not talking just about critics I’m talking actual music buffs in sites like albumoftheyear or rateyourmusic (where taylor gets shitted on). Independent music producers that react to them on youtube as well etc. People who actually consume a lot of music.

But no one’s forcing you to like them lmao

da I'm sorry but why are you acting like a couple of music rating sites for nerds are the be and end all of music opinions? New Jeans ratings on rateyourmusic aren't even much higher than Taylor's to be acting like they're untouchable. There is no objective music opinion you should stop being so defensive over someone not liking their music and pulling a "you have to have a high iq to understand New Jeans" lol

[guest]

Koreans being on MHJ side makes sense when you conclude they don't think she is a p3do, cause that has always been the strongest point against her character for international fans. Otherwise, everything she said makes sense and definitely paints HYBE as the issue.

SPOILERSPOILER

She initially joined Big Hit as the chief brand officer, not Source Music. Likely with the intention she would be making a girl group at Big Hit. But then Bang told her they would buy labels and debut girl groups under those because BT$ fans are jealous teenagers. So then she started to plan out a group under Source Music which they had bought, but then he came in again and said we are debuting a girl group under Source Music with these IZ0NE girls. He thought she was going to agree to being in charge of that but it went against her vision, plus she was mad it would screw over the trainees at Source Music, it would effectively mean many of those, if not all of the NewJeans girls would not debut. So MHJ demanded her own label so she could carry on her original vision. She insists she only took Minji and that the other girls later joined the company via auditions (though I think she likely also took Hanni) regardless the amount of trainees she took should not have so severely bankrupted Source Music that they'd need to disband Gfriend, that was on them for being poorly managed to begin with.

As time passes she notices many little moments between her, the CEO, and Bang that suggest their relationship has soured and they are trying to sabotage her group in small ways. She was promised that her group would be the one to debut first but then they decide to debut their thrown together group first instead (and we know it truly was thrown together, Kazuha had only 6 months of training). Texts suggesting they want to use her to take down competitors and the biggest one being the text showing jealousy over NewJeans reaching Billboard before Le Sserafim. Reminder, it's clear Bang had promised LSFM big things considering those girls went on Knowing Brothers claiming one of their goals was getting a Grammy. Iirc they also had going to Coachella as a goal too.

Meanwhile, her group is growing and so is her label's value. It's known she has male trainees and potential plans for a boy group debut. So she starts looking into selling her shares which is where contract disputes begin as her shares haven't vested yet. Not only that but for 5% of them they also require Hybe's permission to sell. She starts working with lawyers to rework this contract cause she realizes how much it fucks her over. Despite her lawyers advising her not to do so, she sends in an internal complaint when ILLIT debuts and she can tell the concepts are way too similar and close to NewJeans comeback to simply be a coincidence. Hybe then retorts back demanding she resign and performs an internal audit. She goes haywire because resigning with the current contract she has effectively means being blacklisted from the k-pop industry.

Simply resigning does not make her shares disappear. With a non-compete clause she can not work anywhere else if she has the shares. Hybe claims they tried to renegotiate the 5% but did not state in their reply what the date for renegotiation would be, all we know is it's a later time than the 13% she can sell by Q4 this year. Right now, Hybe are working hard to try to prove she has done something illegal(this is why she brought up the whole company card thing during the press conference and that they'll only find her late night dinners on there), if they can do that then those shares would be relinquished and at a price lower than market value.

They have also been smearing her in various ways, like claiming she hasn't returned her laptop for audit when she states the date for her to return is different from everyone else. And then dropping the shaman meetup right as her press conference began, perhaps they thought she wouldn't be able to counter that so quickly hence the timing of it. After her press conference they initially said in their statement there was nothing of worth to respond to that she had said, but then later they decided to go through a bunch of points with their lawyer speak.

So in a way they are correct, this is about money, but moreso for Hybe than it is for her. For her, she is focused on if she can continue working in this industry or not.

Ig my only question would be why they would have given her so much power to begin with. It's clear from her time at SM that LSM was smart to never give her a role too big. You don't really give that type of stuff to the overly passionate, overly involved creative types. Especially someone like MHJ who lives vicariously through the idols she produces. We know she also gets offended on NewJeans behalf a lot. Such as that whole awards show fiasco where she was mad she won an award at a show but none of the members/group did. And it's so obvious when there is a scandal she's the one writing those huge defensive posts defending them (Cookie one).

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Corrections : 4 oldest newjeans members were preparing to debut as NJ in Source until BHS decided to scrap the project and make a new one around the 2 izone girls (fatmanbang pdnim quite obviously decided he was going to copy IVE and get his own group of 170+ girls with 2 izone members).
Hyein is the only one that was only ever in ador.
And apparently ador paid back source for the training i think one if the articles said? Anyway, the real reason gfiend disbanded is because the men with actual power at source thought getting sakura on board and flying people around to europe to recruit a girl with a pretty face and no idol training was the better investment.

Tbh, he would be right to feel threatened. If NJ disbands, who's going to be the new Top Dog in the industry? Certainly not LSM. IVE or Aespa - most likely IVE.

Da i just casual fan and want to say i hate hybe and bg stans are annoying as fish esp @rmy. I can't listen or watch leeserafim at all. Who debut them are brainless. Just like bt$ they just popular because of payola. Ruining music and kpop standard. What so bad about training, lazy ceo m3n. I think i can accept nj more. How many m3n mhj has to fight with in hybe? At least mhj has vision unlike that fat m3n. M3n in sk are really shitty. I just want women have better future in sk, not below than m3n but actually get to be on same level yk..

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DA they're both boring with weak vocals. They make boring ringtone/tiktok music. But apparently enough people love that shit.

Da. I mean that’s your opinion, I absolutely love everything newjeans has put out and I’m a very eclectic music consumer.

There’s a reason why critics love them and it for sure isn’t because they put out “boring tiktok music”, that’s your take bc you probably enjoy noisier stuff and can’t catch the nuances and references in newjeans music.

Da critics loving them means absolutely nothing. Most of them get paid by big companies to write praise about kpop groups and their music. Just like how critics aren’t allowed to write anything bad about Taylor swift

Right the payola must be exclusively for newjeans apparently cause lsrfm, BTS, SVT and the rest don’t get the same critics.
Also, I’m not talking just about critics I’m talking actual music buffs in sites like albumoftheyear or rateyourmusic (where taylor gets shitted on). Independent music producers that react to them on youtube as well etc. People who actually consume a lot of music.

But no one’s forcing you to like them lmao

da I'm sorry but why are you acting like a couple of music rating sites for nerds are the be and end all of music opinions? New Jeans ratings on rateyourmusic aren't even much higher than Taylor's to be acting like they're untouchable. There is no objective music opinion you should stop being so defensive over someone not liking their music and pulling a "you have to have a high iq to understand New Jeans" lol

I’m only defensive about the payola thing, the rest I couldn’t care less if you think their music is shit. It’s your individual opinion and it changes nothing about mine.

And yes those sites, albumoftheyear especially, have weight to them just like letterboxed has for movies. It’s a collective of music nerds. If you wanna be dumb about it be dumb about it, cause at the end of the day Newjeans music isn’t basic lazy tiktok music as much as you want it to be

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Sohyun: i don't know the group well nor her but so far she gives straight, who has questioned/is questioning herself, arthoe, makes every single thing a poem type of girl.

Yuqi: bisexual. That song idgaf if it goes no homo at the end, it's a solo song i presume she chose or wrote, she could've done any other song. If it's gay fanservice it's lame. I think she's bi and maybe wishes she was more out or whatever.

Soyeon: bi

Siyeon: lesbian, i'm gonna trust dc fans + gives lesbian vibes.

Dami: no idea tbh but some people say she's gay too...

Moon sua : no idea.

Xiao ting: wow... I'd say she's straight but open minded. I don't know much of her but I know she has no problem with gay fanservice at all, but I see her more as having fun (straight) than her actually being gay

She's actually homophobic

Well prove it or shut up

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DA - So you'd be ok with some online incel asking you about an imaginary sexual relationship with your friend & co-worker that they made up in their heads. No wonder she was creeped out. Stop tagging idols in your fan fics and then getting offended that they think you are deranged.

Also, since you appear to be an ignorant I-fan: "China/South Korean national law does not recognize same-sex marriage or civil unions."

It's not homophobic when real people don't want to participate in your maladaptive daydream and tell you in polite terms to stop being a creep. Only a sick person who treats them like fantasy dolls would be offended by this.

da I have to agree. I actually would prefer it if more idols did this instead of giggling and joking about getting married although they know very well it's not possible. Makes me feel like gay people are just a joke to them.

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What's the consensus if any on
Sohyun (triple s)
Yuqi (gidle)
Soyeon (gidle)
Siyeon (dreamcatcher)
Dami (dreamcatcher)
Moon Sua (billlie)
Xiao Ting (kepler)

Xiao Ting- het. I disagree on her being homophobic though, maybe hetnormative. She is close to Handong and DC don't stay friends with homophobic people (eg. the Sera/DC fallout which didn't even come out of private discord chats and Sera's patreon).

What happened?

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What's the consensus if any on
Sohyun (triple s)
Yuqi (gidle)
Soyeon (gidle)
Siyeon (dreamcatcher)
Dami (dreamcatcher)
Moon Sua (billlie)
Xiao Ting (kepler)

Xiao Ting- het. I disagree on her being homophobic though, maybe hetnormative. She is close to Handong and DC don't stay friends with homophobic people (eg. the Sera/DC fallout which didn't even come out of private discord chats and Sera's patreon).

What happened?

Sera got close to DC in 2019 and Dami being a social butterfly hung out with her a few times. Fans jokingly started shipping them and Sera got real pissed off about it. She made a bunch of remarks about it on her Patreon and even made a comment about asking the girls how they were okay with having a large gay following. All this happened on her Patreon and was shared in the somnie discord back in 2021 so it never quite came out into the public though people had been saying she's lowkey homophobic for a while. After that she stopped receiving any PR packages from DC and stopped reacting to them. She unfollowed DC and Dami unfollowed her on insta. She reacted to multiple DC mvs recently and talked about feeling sad when she looked at them. She's also really REALLY religious and was the guest speaker at a Catholic church a while ago.

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Sohyun: i don't know the group well nor her but so far she gives straight, who has questioned/is questioning herself, arthoe, makes every single thing a poem type of girl.

Yuqi: bisexual. That song idgaf if it goes no homo at the end, it's a solo song i presume she chose or wrote, she could've done any other song. If it's gay fanservice it's lame. I think she's bi and maybe wishes she was more out or whatever.

Soyeon: bi

Siyeon: lesbian, i'm gonna trust dc fans + gives lesbian vibes.

Dami: no idea tbh but some people say she's gay too...

Moon sua : no idea.

Xiao ting: wow... I'd say she's straight but open minded. I don't know much of her but I know she has no problem with gay fanservice at all, but I see her more as having fun (straight) than her actually being gay

DC fan here and it's all just speculation for the most part. Siyeon is definitely wlw, no idea if bi or lesbian. She's really unintentionally obvious about it. And yes she has immediately shot down interest in dating and was teased about her disinterest in marriage being "because of her members" but that could just be because of her focus on her career, she has also not shown an ounce of interest in men in the past 11 years but neither has Handong who is often written off by everyone as het (though to be fair, unlike Siyeon, Dong hasn't shown any interest in women either). Dami is very sus but a lot about her can be reasonably written off as her being well aware of her audience (women) and just being a massive gg stan.

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I pray for this company's downfall, save women from them

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Da. I mean that’s your opinion, I absolutely love everything newjeans has put out and I’m a very eclectic music consumer.

There’s a reason why critics love them and it for sure isn’t because they put out “boring tiktok music”, that’s your take bc you probably enjoy noisier stuff and can’t catch the nuances and references in newjeans music.

Da critics loving them means absolutely nothing. Most of them get paid by big companies to write praise about kpop groups and their music. Just like how critics aren’t allowed to write anything bad about Taylor swift

Right the payola must be exclusively for newjeans apparently cause lsrfm, BTS, SVT and the rest don’t get the same critics.
Also, I’m not talking just about critics I’m talking actual music buffs in sites like albumoftheyear or rateyourmusic (where taylor gets shitted on). Independent music producers that react to them on youtube as well etc. People who actually consume a lot of music.

But no one’s forcing you to like them lmao

da I'm sorry but why are you acting like a couple of music rating sites for nerds are the be and end all of music opinions? New Jeans ratings on rateyourmusic aren't even much higher than Taylor's to be acting like they're untouchable. There is no objective music opinion you should stop being so defensive over someone not liking their music and pulling a "you have to have a high iq to understand New Jeans" lol

I’m only defensive about the payola thing, the rest I couldn’t care less if you think their music is shit. It’s your individual opinion and it changes nothing about mine.

And yes those sites, albumoftheyear especially, have weight to them just like letterboxed has for movies. It’s a collective of music nerds. If you wanna be dumb about it be dumb about it, cause at the end of the day Newjeans music isn’t basic lazy tiktok music as much as you want it to be

Da you’re getting defensive because deep down you know it’s true. Letterboxd isn’t reliable either, and especially when it comes to Kpop, none of those “critics” are objective. Heck said critics wrote praises about BP and J@min and we all know they’re the definition of mediocrity. You can like NJ music all you want but stop acting superior for doing so.

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Koreans being on MHJ side makes sense when you conclude they don't think she is a p3do, cause that has always been the strongest point against her character for international fans. Otherwise, everything she said makes sense and definitely paints HYBE as the issue.

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She initially joined Big Hit as the chief brand officer, not Source Music. Likely with the intention she would be making a girl group at Big Hit. But then Bang told her they would buy labels and debut girl groups under those because BT$ fans are jealous teenagers. So then she started to plan out a group under Source Music which they had bought, but then he came in again and said we are debuting a girl group under Source Music with these IZ0NE girls. He thought she was going to agree to being in charge of that but it went against her vision, plus she was mad it would screw over the trainees at Source Music, it would effectively mean many of those, if not all of the NewJeans girls would not debut. So MHJ demanded her own label so she could carry on her original vision. She insists she only took Minji and that the other girls later joined the company via auditions (though I think she likely also took Hanni) regardless the amount of trainees she took should not have so severely bankrupted Source Music that they'd need to disband Gfriend, that was on them for being poorly managed to begin with.

As time passes she notices many little moments between her, the CEO, and Bang that suggest their relationship has soured and they are trying to sabotage her group in small ways. She was promised that her group would be the one to debut first but then they decide to debut their thrown together group first instead (and we know it truly was thrown together, Kazuha had only 6 months of training). Texts suggesting they want to use her to take down competitors and the biggest one being the text showing jealousy over NewJeans reaching Billboard before Le Sserafim. Reminder, it's clear Bang had promised LSFM big things considering those girls went on Knowing Brothers claiming one of their goals was getting a Grammy. Iirc they also had going to Coachella as a goal too.

Meanwhile, her group is growing and so is her label's value. It's known she has male trainees and potential plans for a boy group debut. So she starts looking into selling her shares which is where contract disputes begin as her shares haven't vested yet. Not only that but for 5% of them they also require Hybe's permission to sell. She starts working with lawyers to rework this contract cause she realizes how much it fucks her over. Despite her lawyers advising her not to do so, she sends in an internal complaint when ILLIT debuts and she can tell the concepts are way too similar and close to NewJeans comeback to simply be a coincidence. Hybe then retorts back demanding she resign and performs an internal audit. She goes haywire because resigning with the current contract she has effectively means being blacklisted from the k-pop industry.

Simply resigning does not make her shares disappear. With a non-compete clause she can not work anywhere else if she has the shares. Hybe claims they tried to renegotiate the 5% but did not state in their reply what the date for renegotiation would be, all we know is it's a later time than the 13% she can sell by Q4 this year. Right now, Hybe are working hard to try to prove she has done something illegal(this is why she brought up the whole company card thing during the press conference and that they'll only find her late night dinners on there), if they can do that then those shares would be relinquished and at a price lower than market value.

They have also been smearing her in various ways, like claiming she hasn't returned her laptop for audit when she states the date for her to return is different from everyone else. And then dropping the shaman meetup right as her press conference began, perhaps they thought she wouldn't be able to counter that so quickly hence the timing of it. After her press conference they initially said in their statement there was nothing of worth to respond to that she had said, but then later they decided to go through a bunch of points with their lawyer speak.

So in a way they are correct, this is about money, but moreso for Hybe than it is for her. For her, she is focused on if she can continue working in this industry or not.

Ig my only question would be why they would have given her so much power to begin with. It's clear from her time at SM that LSM was smart to never give her a role too big. You don't really give that type of stuff to the overly passionate, overly involved creative types. Especially someone like MHJ who lives vicariously through the idols she produces. We know she also gets offended on NewJeans behalf a lot. Such as that whole awards show fiasco where she was mad she won an award at a show but none of the members/group did. And it's so obvious when there is a scandal she's the one writing those huge defensive posts defending them (Cookie one).

Koreans being on MHJ side proves nothing. They also love Zico and he’s a known as a digital monster there despite being known as the golden phone. Basically filming r*pe videos on his phone. The squid game actor also won some prestigious award despite assaulting his ex

Exactly, they don't care about any sexual crimes or allegations of grooming. Once you ignore those then it makes sense why they side with her.

Also, I hate Z*co and consider him rapey and homophobic (he was extremely so towards one of his members when Bl0ck B was still around) but the phone wasn't his. It was some other guys who got convicted and he looked through it and called it a "golden phone" then lied and said he was amazed by his contact list.

X2 it’s funny seeing anons here like knetz siding up with her means she’s not a creepy person with pedophilic tendencies. The reason they’re siding up with is because corporate culture is very toxic in Korea so they relate to her “frustrations”.

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Da critics loving them means absolutely nothing. Most of them get paid by big companies to write praise about kpop groups and their music. Just like how critics aren’t allowed to write anything bad about Taylor swift

Right the payola must be exclusively for newjeans apparently cause lsrfm, BTS, SVT and the rest don’t get the same critics.
Also, I’m not talking just about critics I’m talking actual music buffs in sites like albumoftheyear or rateyourmusic (where taylor gets shitted on). Independent music producers that react to them on youtube as well etc. People who actually consume a lot of music.

But no one’s forcing you to like them lmao

da I'm sorry but why are you acting like a couple of music rating sites for nerds are the be and end all of music opinions? New Jeans ratings on rateyourmusic aren't even much higher than Taylor's to be acting like they're untouchable. There is no objective music opinion you should stop being so defensive over someone not liking their music and pulling a "you have to have a high iq to understand New Jeans" lol

I’m only defensive about the payola thing, the rest I couldn’t care less if you think their music is shit. It’s your individual opinion and it changes nothing about mine.

And yes those sites, albumoftheyear especially, have weight to them just like letterboxed has for movies. It’s a collective of music nerds. If you wanna be dumb about it be dumb about it, cause at the end of the day Newjeans music isn’t basic lazy tiktok music as much as you want it to be

Da you’re getting defensive because deep down you know it’s true. Letterboxd isn’t reliable either, and especially when it comes to Kpop, none of those “critics” are objective. Heck said critics wrote praises about BP and J@min and we all know they’re the definition of mediocrity. You can like NJ music all you want but stop acting superior for doing so.

da Since you seem to think of yourself as some kind of judge who decides which music is good and which is just mediocre, please enlighten us what is good music then? I'm sorry but you both sound childish as fuck arguing about music tastes.

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Da critics loving them means absolutely nothing. Most of them get paid by big companies to write praise about kpop groups and their music. Just like how critics aren’t allowed to write anything bad about Taylor swift

Right the payola must be exclusively for newjeans apparently cause lsrfm, BTS, SVT and the rest don’t get the same critics.
Also, I’m not talking just about critics I’m talking actual music buffs in sites like albumoftheyear or rateyourmusic (where taylor gets shitted on). Independent music producers that react to them on youtube as well etc. People who actually consume a lot of music.

But no one’s forcing you to like them lmao

da I'm sorry but why are you acting like a couple of music rating sites for nerds are the be and end all of music opinions? New Jeans ratings on rateyourmusic aren't even much higher than Taylor's to be acting like they're untouchable. There is no objective music opinion you should stop being so defensive over someone not liking their music and pulling a "you have to have a high iq to understand New Jeans" lol

I’m only defensive about the payola thing, the rest I couldn’t care less if you think their music is shit. It’s your individual opinion and it changes nothing about mine.

And yes those sites, albumoftheyear especially, have weight to them just like letterboxed has for movies. It’s a collective of music nerds. If you wanna be dumb about it be dumb about it, cause at the end of the day Newjeans music isn’t basic lazy tiktok music as much as you want it to be

Da you’re getting defensive because deep down you know it’s true. Letterboxd isn’t reliable either, and especially when it comes to Kpop, none of those “critics” are objective. Heck said critics wrote praises about BP and J@min and we all know they’re the definition of mediocrity. You can like NJ music all you want but stop acting superior for doing so.

da anons point was to counter the other person's argument that only "critics" care about NewJeans music and all critics are bought out when sites like aoty and rym have their music rated highly and those are primarily user submitted ratings. Meaning a more general public fandom of music listeners like the music too and not just because "critics" like it. Imo, these places are good for determining international fanbase interest. Similarly, Loona's music rates high on these sites but the only member really known by the general public in Korea is Chuu. And their redebut groups, especially Loossemble are starting back at the bottom performing with other nugu acts at festivals. Even during Queendom everyone knew Loona was carried hard by their international fandom interest.

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Right the payola must be exclusively for newjeans apparently cause lsrfm, BTS, SVT and the rest don’t get the same critics.
Also, I’m not talking just about critics I’m talking actual music buffs in sites like albumoftheyear or rateyourmusic (where taylor gets shitted on). Independent music producers that react to them on youtube as well etc. People who actually consume a lot of music.

But no one’s forcing you to like them lmao

da I'm sorry but why are you acting like a couple of music rating sites for nerds are the be and end all of music opinions? New Jeans ratings on rateyourmusic aren't even much higher than Taylor's to be acting like they're untouchable. There is no objective music opinion you should stop being so defensive over someone not liking their music and pulling a "you have to have a high iq to understand New Jeans" lol

I’m only defensive about the payola thing, the rest I couldn’t care less if you think their music is shit. It’s your individual opinion and it changes nothing about mine.

And yes those sites, albumoftheyear especially, have weight to them just like letterboxed has for movies. It’s a collective of music nerds. If you wanna be dumb about it be dumb about it, cause at the end of the day Newjeans music isn’t basic lazy tiktok music as much as you want it to be

Da you’re getting defensive because deep down you know it’s true. Letterboxd isn’t reliable either, and especially when it comes to Kpop, none of those “critics” are objective. Heck said critics wrote praises about BP and J@min and we all know they’re the definition of mediocrity. You can like NJ music all you want but stop acting superior for doing so.

da Since you seem to think of yourself as some kind of judge who decides which music is good and which is just mediocre, please enlighten us what is good music then? I'm sorry but you both sound childish as fuck arguing about music tastes.

Da the armpits are mad. J@min music is terrible and calling it mediocre is a compliment

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Da critics loving them means absolutely nothing. Most of them get paid by big companies to write praise about kpop groups and their music. Just like how critics aren’t allowed to write anything bad about Taylor swift

Right the payola must be exclusively for newjeans apparently cause lsrfm, BTS, SVT and the rest don’t get the same critics.
Also, I’m not talking just about critics I’m talking actual music buffs in sites like albumoftheyear or rateyourmusic (where taylor gets shitted on). Independent music producers that react to them on youtube as well etc. People who actually consume a lot of music.

But no one’s forcing you to like them lmao

da I'm sorry but why are you acting like a couple of music rating sites for nerds are the be and end all of music opinions? New Jeans ratings on rateyourmusic aren't even much higher than Taylor's to be acting like they're untouchable. There is no objective music opinion you should stop being so defensive over someone not liking their music and pulling a "you have to have a high iq to understand New Jeans" lol

I’m only defensive about the payola thing, the rest I couldn’t care less if you think their music is shit. It’s your individual opinion and it changes nothing about mine.

And yes those sites, albumoftheyear especially, have weight to them just like letterboxed has for movies. It’s a collective of music nerds. If you wanna be dumb about it be dumb about it, cause at the end of the day Newjeans music isn’t basic lazy tiktok music as much as you want it to be

Da you’re getting defensive because deep down you know it’s true. Letterboxd isn’t reliable either, and especially when it comes to Kpop, none of those “critics” are objective. Heck said critics wrote praises about BP and J@min and we all know they’re the definition of mediocrity. You can like NJ music all you want but stop acting superior for doing so.

At this point you’re just yapping. If you don’t get the intrinsic value of user based sites like letterboxd and aoty I can’t even continue this conversation. “Letterboxd isn’t reliable either” You’re just coming across as extremely dumb

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Right the payola must be exclusively for newjeans apparently cause lsrfm, BTS, SVT and the rest don’t get the same critics.
Also, I’m not talking just about critics I’m talking actual music buffs in sites like albumoftheyear or rateyourmusic (where taylor gets shitted on). Independent music producers that react to them on youtube as well etc. People who actually consume a lot of music.

But no one’s forcing you to like them lmao

da I'm sorry but why are you acting like a couple of music rating sites for nerds are the be and end all of music opinions? New Jeans ratings on rateyourmusic aren't even much higher than Taylor's to be acting like they're untouchable. There is no objective music opinion you should stop being so defensive over someone not liking their music and pulling a "you have to have a high iq to understand New Jeans" lol

I’m only defensive about the payola thing, the rest I couldn’t care less if you think their music is shit. It’s your individual opinion and it changes nothing about mine.

And yes those sites, albumoftheyear especially, have weight to them just like letterboxed has for movies. It’s a collective of music nerds. If you wanna be dumb about it be dumb about it, cause at the end of the day Newjeans music isn’t basic lazy tiktok music as much as you want it to be

Da you’re getting defensive because deep down you know it’s true. Letterboxd isn’t reliable either, and especially when it comes to Kpop, none of those “critics” are objective. Heck said critics wrote praises about BP and J@min and we all know they’re the definition of mediocrity. You can like NJ music all you want but stop acting superior for doing so.

At this point you’re just yapping. If you don’t get the intrinsic value of user based sites like letterboxd and aoty I can’t even continue this conversation. “Letterboxd isn’t reliable either” You’re just coming across as extremely dumb

You were talking about critics though, now you’re talking about user based websites after I said some critics and journalists are obviously paid?

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da I'm sorry but why are you acting like a couple of music rating sites for nerds are the be and end all of music opinions? New Jeans ratings on rateyourmusic aren't even much higher than Taylor's to be acting like they're untouchable. There is no objective music opinion you should stop being so defensive over someone not liking their music and pulling a "you have to have a high iq to understand New Jeans" lol

I’m only defensive about the payola thing, the rest I couldn’t care less if you think their music is shit. It’s your individual opinion and it changes nothing about mine.

And yes those sites, albumoftheyear especially, have weight to them just like letterboxed has for movies. It’s a collective of music nerds. If you wanna be dumb about it be dumb about it, cause at the end of the day Newjeans music isn’t basic lazy tiktok music as much as you want it to be

Da you’re getting defensive because deep down you know it’s true. Letterboxd isn’t reliable either, and especially when it comes to Kpop, none of those “critics” are objective. Heck said critics wrote praises about BP and J@min and we all know they’re the definition of mediocrity. You can like NJ music all you want but stop acting superior for doing so.

At this point you’re just yapping. If you don’t get the intrinsic value of user based sites like letterboxd and aoty I can’t even continue this conversation. “Letterboxd isn’t reliable either” You’re just coming across as extremely dumb

You were talking about critics though, now you’re talking about user based websites after I said some critics and journalists are obviously paid?

Da especially considering kpop fans are hostile towards any criticism, imagine if a critic said bt* music sucks? Their fans will attack them which is why they keep praising kpop groups

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I’m only defensive about the payola thing, the rest I couldn’t care less if you think their music is shit. It’s your individual opinion and it changes nothing about mine.

And yes those sites, albumoftheyear especially, have weight to them just like letterboxed has for movies. It’s a collective of music nerds. If you wanna be dumb about it be dumb about it, cause at the end of the day Newjeans music isn’t basic lazy tiktok music as much as you want it to be

Da you’re getting defensive because deep down you know it’s true. Letterboxd isn’t reliable either, and especially when it comes to Kpop, none of those “critics” are objective. Heck said critics wrote praises about BP and J@min and we all know they’re the definition of mediocrity. You can like NJ music all you want but stop acting superior for doing so.

At this point you’re just yapping. If you don’t get the intrinsic value of user based sites like letterboxd and aoty I can’t even continue this conversation. “Letterboxd isn’t reliable either” You’re just coming across as extremely dumb

You were talking about critics though, now you’re talking about user based websites after I said some critics and journalists are obviously paid?

Da especially considering kpop fans are hostile towards any criticism, imagine if a critic said bt* music sucks? Their fans will attack them which is why they keep praising kpop groups

Op is a delusional tokki

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Speaking of music, I think IVE has one of the best discographies of 4th gen. I didn’t enjoy their last comeback Baddie, but this upcoming one looks promising. Please give us more Annyeongz moments

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Speaking of music, I think IVE has one of the best discographies of 4th gen. I didn’t enjoy their last comeback Baddie, but this upcoming one looks promising. Please give us more Annyeongz moments

Annyeongz is not the only IVE ship T_T I want them to give us more Wonyoung/Liz or Yujin/Rei.
I agree with you on the discography part. They do really have great title tracks. Baddie was crap from start to finish... I also noticed how inconsistent they were with that aesthetic/concept. The rest of the songs on I've MINE are very much soft/cute, only Baddie gives "Girl Krush." If you're going to do it, at least do it right and COMMIT.

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The music I find the most interesting of 4th gen is Aespa's, Newjeans and maybe XG. Aespa can have very mid title tracks but it's always original so I'm super hyped. But when they release good stuff, it's extremely good. Some of their songs especially bsides are my some of my favorite kpop songs, the quality is neat af (Welcome to my world, Illusion, Salty&Sweet...)

Lesserafim is a no risk group but the music is pretty good. It's mid to great. XG is very interesting, newjeans low key bores me but I like that the music isn't bland (except that last song), and the songs just sound great in general.

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This HYBE/MHJ drama is shaping out to be one of the most impactful moments in Kpop and we are still in the middle of it. If HYBE doesn't find a way to win the public over again, then there will be long lasting damage on Bang Sihyuk and HYBE artists. Knetz are already digging up dirt on BTS. While on the other end MHJ will go down as an icon and NewJeans the biggest Kpop group Korea has seen since Girls Generation and Big Bang.

I don't like MHJ, but many Knetz have been discussing the difference between female creative direction and male, so many think what Bang Sihyuk does is very outdated, so hopefully this could help give more visibility to other female creatives in the industry.

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Speaking of music, I think IVE has one of the best discographies of 4th gen. I didn’t enjoy their last comeback Baddie, but this upcoming one looks promising. Please give us more Annyeongz moments

Annyeongz is not the only IVE ship T_T I want them to give us more Wonyoung/Liz or Yujin/Rei.
I agree with you on the discography part. They do really have great title tracks. Baddie was crap from start to finish... I also noticed how inconsistent they were with that aesthetic/concept. The rest of the songs on I've MINE are very much soft/cute, only Baddie gives "Girl Krush." If you're going to do it, at least do it right and COMMIT.

Oh…I only care about Annyeongz

Their sound and aesthetic during Love Dive and Eleven were my favorite. Girl crush isn’t their thing. Only Yujin can pull it off

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This HYBE/MHJ drama is shaping out to be one of the most impactful moments in Kpop and we are still in the middle of it. If HYBE doesn't find a way to win the public over again, then there will be long lasting damage on Bang Sihyuk and HYBE artists. Knetz are already digging up dirt on BTS. While on the other end MHJ will go down as an icon and NewJeans the biggest Kpop group Korea has seen since Girls Generation and Big Bang.

I don't like MHJ, but many Knetz have been discussing the difference between female creative direction and male, so many think what Bang Sihyuk does is very outdated, so hopefully this could help give more visibility to other female creatives in the industry.

Please, share the dirt. I'm only asking to hate them more.
And if anyone had dirt on them, share the tea! I'm tired of hearing of BTSaints on every corner of the internet.

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This HYBE/MHJ drama is shaping out to be one of the most impactful moments in Kpop and we are still in the middle of it. If HYBE doesn't find a way to win the public over again, then there will be long lasting damage on Bang Sihyuk and HYBE artists. Knetz are already digging up dirt on BTS. While on the other end MHJ will go down as an icon and NewJeans the biggest Kpop group Korea has seen since Girls Generation and Big Bang.

I don't like MHJ, but many Knetz have been discussing the difference between female creative direction and male, so many think what Bang Sihyuk does is very outdated, so hopefully this could help give more visibility to other female creatives in the industry.

Please, share the dirt. I'm only asking to hate them more.
And if anyone had dirt on them, share the tea! I'm tired of hearing of BTSaints on every corner of the internet.

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Speaking of music, I think IVE has one of the best discographies of 4th gen. I didn’t enjoy their last comeback Baddie, but this upcoming one looks promising. Please give us more Annyeongz moments

Annyeongz is not the only IVE ship T_T I want them to give us more Wonyoung/Liz or Yujin/Rei.
I agree with you on the discography part. They do really have great title tracks. Baddie was crap from start to finish... I also noticed how inconsistent they were with that aesthetic/concept. The rest of the songs on I've MINE are very much soft/cute, only Baddie gives "Girl Krush." If you're going to do it, at least do it right and COMMIT.

Oh…I only care about Annyeongz

Their sound and aesthetic during Love Dive and Eleven were my favorite. Girl crush isn’t their thing. Only Yujin can pull it off

I wasn't an IZ*One fan, thus, I never saw much of Annyeongz. I wish I liked this ship though, there's so much content for them out there.

No, Yujin and Leeseo both pull it off, but the rest of the girls aren't used to it yet, or simply suit softer concepts. Girl Krush demands a lot of stage presence, sharp features, confidence and a certain attitude. It's not easy. 2NE1 did it well, BP passed, Babymonster are still babies. I think the members make or break this type of concepts.

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This HYBE/MHJ drama is shaping out to be one of the most impactful moments in Kpop and we are still in the middle of it. If HYBE doesn't find a way to win the public over again, then there will be long lasting damage on Bang Sihyuk and HYBE artists. Knetz are already digging up dirt on BTS. While on the other end MHJ will go down as an icon and NewJeans the biggest Kpop group Korea has seen since Girls Generation and Big Bang.

I don't like MHJ, but many Knetz have been discussing the difference between female creative direction and male, so many think what Bang Sihyuk does is very outdated, so hopefully this could help give more visibility to other female creatives in the industry.

These things never work like that, the loser lose big, but no one really wins. I can see a a sort of downfall for Hybe rep for sure in korea, but internationally things are looking bad for MHJ too. I don't think your prediction about them being bigger soon that gg or bb is accurate either. It's totally different and their popularity depends now on how MHJ manages them and how much Hybe want them at the top, they were hit with this too soon in their career, so it's a really tricky situation as a group. SK is really too good at fast trends and that's a problem here.

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Hybe is not done yet, they might try to find another way to turn on them

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Speaking of music, I think IVE has one of the best discographies of 4th gen. I didn’t enjoy their last comeback Baddie, but this upcoming one looks promising. Please give us more Annyeongz moments

da i think ive & company mastered the 'work hard and prove them wrong' mentality. they don't really respond quickly to issues but work quietly behind the scenes.

lipsync in events? they switched to handmics the next day
can't sing? released i am and sings it live
boring perf? toured like crazy and now knows how to hype up the crowd
wy sojang thought to be ignored? apparently building a case against her
baddie promotion & roll out issue? they planned it almost perfectly now
baddie sucks? heya oriental theme & acciendo love dive 2.0

their company has the best profit distribution too. i guess the only bad thing is they're from small company and they will always have limitations - limited payola and resources