Aespa

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I get being skeptical but why does being skeptical mean everything is fake.
Maybe she is being used by SM or/and maybe her bf did use her for a quick pr. Sadly that doesn't mean she isn't dating, it just means she needs to make smarter choices next time.

The fact that she went to meet him without covering herself up kinda weird because I don’t think she’s that dumb. Her photos that got caught hanging out with Winter is always covered up, so I don’t get why she’s being careless when she’s never like this before. It seems like both of them are dating in a talking stage but because dispatch had pictures, SM need to confirm it since denying it can cause more damages as dispatch will reveal more pictures of them. They probably only hooking up, we never know. But it’s weird how she seems doesn’t care when her career and the bf’s is at stake. It seems like that LJW’s insider probably snitched and his agency is milking the news for PR imo. I don’t think the relationship will last long and Karina’s career can be salvage if they broke up in a few months like Jisoo’s.

I think idols date all the time and that these reveals are the tip of the iceberg.
I think there's an unwritten rule between idols and ssng that they are allowed to date so long as they don't neglect their idol duties or become to bold by doing lovestagrams.
So most idols don't feel the need to disguise themselves considering they just dating at home.
I mean the *Tzy & tw*ce girls didnt cover up either.

really? I thought SM's motto was you can date but keep it in secret

[Guest]

Why does he look so old? He’s only 25, but I thought he was 35+

[Guest]

I get being skeptical but why does being skeptical mean everything is fake.
Maybe she is being used by SM or/and maybe her bf did use her for a quick pr. Sadly that doesn't mean she isn't dating, it just means she needs to make smarter choices next time.

The fact that she went to meet him without covering herself up kinda weird because I don’t think she’s that dumb. Her photos that got caught hanging out with Winter is always covered up, so I don’t get why she’s being careless when she’s never like this before. It seems like both of them are dating in a talking stage but because dispatch had pictures, SM need to confirm it since denying it can cause more damages as dispatch will reveal more pictures of them. They probably only hooking up, we never know. But it’s weird how she seems doesn’t care when her career and the bf’s is at stake. It seems like that LJW’s insider probably snitched and his agency is milking the news for PR imo. I don’t think the relationship will last long and Karina’s career can be salvage if they broke up in a few months like Jisoo’s.

Da more receipt for all this being fake lol..

[Guest]

I get being skeptical but why does being skeptical mean everything is fake.
Maybe she is being used by SM or/and maybe her bf did use her for a quick pr. Sadly that doesn't mean she isn't dating, it just means she needs to make smarter choices next time.

The fact that she went to meet him without covering herself up kinda weird because I don’t think she’s that dumb. Her photos that got caught hanging out with Winter is always covered up, so I don’t get why she’s being careless when she’s never like this before. It seems like both of them are dating in a talking stage but because dispatch had pictures, SM need to confirm it since denying it can cause more damages as dispatch will reveal more pictures of them. They probably only hooking up, we never know. But it’s weird how she seems doesn’t care when her career and the bf’s is at stake. It seems like that LJW’s insider probably snitched and his agency is milking the news for PR imo. I don’t think the relationship will last long and Karina’s career can be salvage if they broke up in a few months like Jisoo’s.

Da more receipt for all this being fake lol..

I don’t think it’s fake it just blew out of proportion so that that dude’s agency can milk the PR. Imo, they definitely went on a date since they met each other 2 months ago and started dating 2 weeks after that. It’s normal to date in house since they can’t go outside. I just hate how she’s getting the brunt of this while SM did absolutely nothing to protect her

[Guest]

I get being skeptical but why does being skeptical mean everything is fake.
Maybe she is being used by SM or/and maybe her bf did use her for a quick pr. Sadly that doesn't mean she isn't dating, it just means she needs to make smarter choices next time.

The fact that she went to meet him without covering herself up kinda weird because I don’t think she’s that dumb. Her photos that got caught hanging out with Winter is always covered up, so I don’t get why she’s being careless when she’s never like this before. It seems like both of them are dating in a talking stage but because dispatch had pictures, SM need to confirm it since denying it can cause more damages as dispatch will reveal more pictures of them. They probably only hooking up, we never know. But it’s weird how she seems doesn’t care when her career and the bf’s is at stake. It seems like that LJW’s insider probably snitched and his agency is milking the news for PR imo. I don’t think the relationship will last long and Karina’s career can be salvage if they broke up in a few months like Jisoo’s.

Da more receipt for all this being fake lol..

I don’t think it’s fake it just blew out of proportion so that that dude’s agency can milk the PR. Imo, they definitely went on a date since they met each other 2 months ago and started dating 2 weeks after that. It’s normal to date in house since they can’t go outside. I just hate how she’s getting the brunt of this while SM did absolutely nothing to protect her

Where's the proof? All dispatch couples until now had proof except this one, there's no way I'm believing something unbelievable without proof

[Guest]

I get being skeptical but why does being skeptical mean everything is fake.
Maybe she is being used by SM or/and maybe her bf did use her for a quick pr. Sadly that doesn't mean she isn't dating, it just means she needs to make smarter choices next time.

The fact that she went to meet him without covering herself up kinda weird because I don’t think she’s that dumb. Her photos that got caught hanging out with Winter is always covered up, so I don’t get why she’s being careless when she’s never like this before. It seems like both of them are dating in a talking stage but because dispatch had pictures, SM need to confirm it since denying it can cause more damages as dispatch will reveal more pictures of them. They probably only hooking up, we never know. But it’s weird how she seems doesn’t care when her career and the bf’s is at stake. It seems like that LJW’s insider probably snitched and his agency is milking the news for PR imo. I don’t think the relationship will last long and Karina’s career can be salvage if they broke up in a few months like Jisoo’s.

Da more receipt for all this being fake lol..

I don’t think it’s fake it just blew out of proportion so that that dude’s agency can milk the PR. Imo, they definitely went on a date since they met each other 2 months ago and started dating 2 weeks after that. It’s normal to date in house since they can’t go outside. I just hate how she’s getting the brunt of this while SM did absolutely nothing to protect her

Where's the proof? All dispatch couples until now had proof except this one, there's no way I'm believing something unbelievable without proof

da sometime dispatch just do dating news like this and if agency denied they will show more proof after that. for them both of their agency comfirm it.

[Guest]

Why does he look so old? He’s only 25, but I thought he was 35+

Right I thought he was years older than her

[Guest]

lmao

I'm not trying to be delulu but does anyone else find the timing of this announcement to be weird? They've only known each other for a month and now all of a sudden they are in love? Even though they both have really busy schedules right now, how the hell do you fall in love in a month of hardly spending time together, assuming best case scenario they spent every evening together for 30 days...it's still not enough. Both agencies were extremely quick to confirm it...like suspiciously quick. I don't trust anything dispatch or the agencies says ever since I've learned how dispatch works. They first go to the idol's agencies with the news and strike a deal with them, most of the times it's either the agencies pay them to shut up, or they give them another story in replacement, or they think the story is not a big deal and allows it to be exposed. I really doubt it's the latter because Karina dating someone is a big deal. Its very hard to believe that this was not a planned announcement, some people are saying this is a regular korean tactic, using idols to cover up their political situation but idk anything about what's happening in Korean politics so I won't speak to that. It doesn't make any sense to me as to why SM let dispatch expose this/didn't pay dispatch out on this story, Karina is one of the most desired female kpop idol right now amongst BOTH women and men, her fandom I'd say is majority wlw, exposing her dating life will only cause her to lose stans which means less money for SM. If they claimed they were in a relationship for years it would be more believable because at least they are in a steady relationship. but for something so new and fresh, this is a big risk to take since they could literally chose to end things tomorrow, if this happens what was the point of it all? They really would just lose a bunch of stans for no reason. To me they are covering up something way bigger or trying to distract the population from something. It literally doesn't make sense, and I'm not just saying that as a Karina stan. It's not like Karina needs more exposure to become more famous either, the girl's face is everywhere in Korea.

I have a conspiracy theorist mindset so I tend to doubt stuff, and of course I doubt this as well. Someone mentioned he has a kdrama airing tomorrow/today so maybe there's some arrangements going on there? Idk if kdramas are more profitable than a group as big as Aespa so why would they "sacrifice" karina over this... And it also reminds me of Jisoo's dating scandal that I believed initially until I saw people pointing out how weird it was.
I'm not into gossip much so I don't know how dispatch works or how it usually happens etc, but by logic I don't understand why companies would confirm a relationship if there is no proof (both have none), if the idol is seeing the guy for just a few weeks, and for Karina in terms of kpop culture it was better to pretend she was single, so why they got so quick to confirm it... And the SM message was an exact copy of the actor's company message, maybe pr people just copy pasted it, idk but could also be planned.

If it's planned it's on idols behalf, I don't think Karina was aware this was gonna drop, or aware just recently.
I have my doubts on the whole thing, I half believe half don't. But I'd say it's even more sus than Jisoo's that i already had huge doubts for.

Stop embarrassing yourself. Jisoo was dating that guy for way longer than people realised. Nothing weird about it. Karina is dating this dude.

Just admit the girls you wanted to be gay are straight. It's embarrassing to label them as if they are fictional characters.

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lmao

I'm not trying to be delulu but does anyone else find the timing of this announcement to be weird? They've only known each other for a month and now all of a sudden they are in love? Even though they both have really busy schedules right now, how the hell do you fall in love in a month of hardly spending time together, assuming best case scenario they spent every evening together for 30 days...it's still not enough. Both agencies were extremely quick to confirm it...like suspiciously quick. I don't trust anything dispatch or the agencies says ever since I've learned how dispatch works. They first go to the idol's agencies with the news and strike a deal with them, most of the times it's either the agencies pay them to shut up, or they give them another story in replacement, or they think the story is not a big deal and allows it to be exposed. I really doubt it's the latter because Karina dating someone is a big deal. Its very hard to believe that this was not a planned announcement, some people are saying this is a regular korean tactic, using idols to cover up their political situation but idk anything about what's happening in Korean politics so I won't speak to that. It doesn't make any sense to me as to why SM let dispatch expose this/didn't pay dispatch out on this story, Karina is one of the most desired female kpop idol right now amongst BOTH women and men, her fandom I'd say is majority wlw, exposing her dating life will only cause her to lose stans which means less money for SM. If they claimed they were in a relationship for years it would be more believable because at least they are in a steady relationship. but for something so new and fresh, this is a big risk to take since they could literally chose to end things tomorrow, if this happens what was the point of it all? They really would just lose a bunch of stans for no reason. To me they are covering up something way bigger or trying to distract the population from something. It literally doesn't make sense, and I'm not just saying that as a Karina stan. It's not like Karina needs more exposure to become more famous either, the girl's face is everywhere in Korea.

I have a conspiracy theorist mindset so I tend to doubt stuff, and of course I doubt this as well. Someone mentioned he has a kdrama airing tomorrow/today so maybe there's some arrangements going on there? Idk if kdramas are more profitable than a group as big as Aespa so why would they "sacrifice" karina over this... And it also reminds me of Jisoo's dating scandal that I believed initially until I saw people pointing out how weird it was.
I'm not into gossip much so I don't know how dispatch works or how it usually happens etc, but by logic I don't understand why companies would confirm a relationship if there is no proof (both have none), if the idol is seeing the guy for just a few weeks, and for Karina in terms of kpop culture it was better to pretend she was single, so why they got so quick to confirm it... And the SM message was an exact copy of the actor's company message, maybe pr people just copy pasted it, idk but could also be planned.

If it's planned it's on idols behalf, I don't think Karina was aware this was gonna drop, or aware just recently.
I have my doubts on the whole thing, I half believe half don't. But I'd say it's even more sus than Jisoo's that i already had huge doubts for.

Stop embarrassing yourself. Jisoo was dating that guy for way longer than people realised. Nothing weird about it. Karina is dating this dude.

Just admit the girls you wanted to be gay are straight. It's embarrassing to label them as if they are fictional characters.

Right cause you know jisoo and karina and the whole truth of the universe.

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lmao

I'm not trying to be delulu but does anyone else find the timing of this announcement to be weird? They've only known each other for a month and now all of a sudden they are in love? Even though they both have really busy schedules right now, how the hell do you fall in love in a month of hardly spending time together, assuming best case scenario they spent every evening together for 30 days...it's still not enough. Both agencies were extremely quick to confirm it...like suspiciously quick. I don't trust anything dispatch or the agencies says ever since I've learned how dispatch works. They first go to the idol's agencies with the news and strike a deal with them, most of the times it's either the agencies pay them to shut up, or they give them another story in replacement, or they think the story is not a big deal and allows it to be exposed. I really doubt it's the latter because Karina dating someone is a big deal. Its very hard to believe that this was not a planned announcement, some people are saying this is a regular korean tactic, using idols to cover up their political situation but idk anything about what's happening in Korean politics so I won't speak to that. It doesn't make any sense to me as to why SM let dispatch expose this/didn't pay dispatch out on this story, Karina is one of the most desired female kpop idol right now amongst BOTH women and men, her fandom I'd say is majority wlw, exposing her dating life will only cause her to lose stans which means less money for SM. If they claimed they were in a relationship for years it would be more believable because at least they are in a steady relationship. but for something so new and fresh, this is a big risk to take since they could literally chose to end things tomorrow, if this happens what was the point of it all? They really would just lose a bunch of stans for no reason. To me they are covering up something way bigger or trying to distract the population from something. It literally doesn't make sense, and I'm not just saying that as a Karina stan. It's not like Karina needs more exposure to become more famous either, the girl's face is everywhere in Korea.

I have a conspiracy theorist mindset so I tend to doubt stuff, and of course I doubt this as well. Someone mentioned he has a kdrama airing tomorrow/today so maybe there's some arrangements going on there? Idk if kdramas are more profitable than a group as big as Aespa so why would they "sacrifice" karina over this... And it also reminds me of Jisoo's dating scandal that I believed initially until I saw people pointing out how weird it was.
I'm not into gossip much so I don't know how dispatch works or how it usually happens etc, but by logic I don't understand why companies would confirm a relationship if there is no proof (both have none), if the idol is seeing the guy for just a few weeks, and for Karina in terms of kpop culture it was better to pretend she was single, so why they got so quick to confirm it... And the SM message was an exact copy of the actor's company message, maybe pr people just copy pasted it, idk but could also be planned.

If it's planned it's on idols behalf, I don't think Karina was aware this was gonna drop, or aware just recently.
I have my doubts on the whole thing, I half believe half don't. But I'd say it's even more sus than Jisoo's that i already had huge doubts for.

Stop embarrassing yourself. Jisoo was dating that guy for way longer than people realised. Nothing weird about it. Karina is dating this dude.

Just admit the girls you wanted to be gay are straight. It's embarrassing to label them as if they are fictional characters.

DA

That doesn't mean she can't be bi

People shouldn't be forcing a sexuality onto idols and feeling betrayed when it's not what they wanted (that goes both ways for straights and gays). She could be bi, with a preference for either gender and we'd never truly know unless told otherwise.

It's highly likely that Karina, as a Korean/Catholic, will end up with a man when she retires from her idol life/the entertainment industry. But I still love the JiMinJeong chemistry and her chemistry with other women so here's hoping that she's bi or at least happy with her choices.

Maybe SM didn't pay out to make it arguably harder for them to date since with all this attention, it could put a strain on the relationship. Could also make it easier since they don't have hide that they're hiding but eh I just find it funny how some people exaggerate that Karina's career is "over" because of the dating news. Yeah, it'll have some effect on the male fanbase and some Chinese stans but wait a comeback or two and people will just go back to talking about her beauty and the music.

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I guess this is why the dating news got released, he wasn't planning to renew

[Guest]

What do you think? Is there a chance it's fake or still cope?

[Guest]

What do you think? Is there a chance it's fake or still cope?

Hot search in china isn't that hard to trend for kpop idol or actor specially the popular or well know people.

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Why does he look so old? He’s only 25, but I thought he was 35+

Right I thought he was years older than her

DA agreed. He even looks older than the thirty-something male lead in King the Land

[Guest]

What do you think? Is there a chance it's fake or still cope?

They definitely did went on a date, the pictures doesn’t mean anything it just shows that she was stalk. If SM and Cjes didn’t confirm immediately, they would have release more pictures of them together.

[Guest]

What do you think? Is there a chance it's fake or still cope?

They definitely did went on a date, the pictures doesn’t mean anything it just shows that she was stalk. If SM and Cjes didn’t confirm immediately, they would have release more pictures of them together.

Da No proof for the first time in all of dispatch history so congrats for personally knowing karina to be so sure about her dating life.
Also you don't know what dispatch would have done, because everytime they have proof they drop it, unless they get paid I suppose

[Guest]

What do you think? Is there a chance it's fake or still cope?

They definitely did went on a date, the pictures doesn’t mean anything it just shows that she was stalk. If SM and Cjes didn’t confirm immediately, they would have release more pictures of them together.

Da No proof for the first time in all of dispatch history so congrats for personally knowing karina to be so sure about her dating life.
Also you don't know what dispatch would have done, because everytime they have proof they drop it, unless they get paid I suppose

Da, if you notice previous dating news from the same company they never deny it if its true. they might take time to confirm it. In Karina's case they knew that the couple would get hate because karina has female followers (its obvious from her fan interactions). So of course karina's dating life should be in private if they don't want to get any hate but dispatch released the pictures and if both companies denied it they would have post more pictures (which might turnish their repo more) so i would say they did it to save both of them despite the hate they are getting now whatever dispatch had might have been more damaging than this.

SPOILERSPOILER

Remember when rv's leader and stylist scandal? They made Irene apologize right away because the stylist had recording of what irene said to her that day. That could have ended her career so they made a smart move there by making her apologize. Though her repo is tarnished still she's working.

[Guest]

What do you think? Is there a chance it's fake or still cope?

They definitely did went on a date, the pictures doesn’t mean anything it just shows that she was stalk. If SM and Cjes didn’t confirm immediately, they would have release more pictures of them together.

Da No proof for the first time in all of dispatch history so congrats for personally knowing karina to be so sure about her dating life.
Also you don't know what dispatch would have done, because everytime they have proof they drop it, unless they get paid I suppose

Da, if you notice previous dating news from the same company they never deny it if its true. they might take time to confirm it. In Karina's case they knew that the couple would get hate because karina has female followers (its obvious from her fan interactions). So of course karina's dating life should be in private if they don't want to get any hate but dispatch released the pictures and if both companies denied it they would have post more pictures (which might turnish their repo more) so i would say they did it to save both of them despite the hate they are getting now whatever dispatch had might have been more damaging than this.

SPOILERSPOILER

Remember when rv's leader and stylist scandal? They made Irene apologize right away because the stylist had recording of what irene said to her that day. That could have ended her career so they made a smart move there by making her apologize. Though her repo is tarnished still she's working.

You. Don't. Know. That. You. Just. Made. It. Up.

Can you please stop making up things?
Dispatch was eager to release their shit regardless of how hurt the idol would be. I don't know why they didn't consult SM since they apparently blackmail like this? Although this could yet again be bs made by you people who live in a kdrama or something. Dispatch doesn't have proof, just a trustable source most probably like one of this actor's colleague or even his agency itself. The pics they released are random and not proof in any way, they're just signaling that they know a bunch about the two.

The spoiler part has nothing to do with Dispatch, the stylist came forward on Instagram to expose Irene because he/she was sick of her. She threatened Irene to release more if the behavior continued and if Irene did not apologize. It wasn't dispatch but for whatever reason, you made it as if it was to pretend you know that Dispatch has more proof. They do not have more proof than that.


Facts:
-Dispatch always releases proof
-For Karina's scandal, it's the first time in probably a decade at least they did not post proof, chances are they have none but instead someone close to the couple told them they were a thing
-Dispatch doesn't double down if a company denies, if they have proof they post it that's all.


No need to make up anything else than that.

Karina probably did everything in her power to hide it and the fact that it got exposed this soon might have made her feel quite bad (i guess since she's silent ever since). Or it's fake... not probable given both companies confirmed.

[Guest]

What do you think? Is there a chance it's fake or still cope?

They definitely did went on a date, the pictures doesn’t mean anything it just shows that she was stalk. If SM and Cjes didn’t confirm immediately, they would have release more pictures of them together.

Da No proof for the first time in all of dispatch history so congrats for personally knowing karina to be so sure about her dating life.
Also you don't know what dispatch would have done, because everytime they have proof they drop it, unless they get paid I suppose

Da, if you notice previous dating news from the same company they never deny it if its true. they might take time to confirm it. In Karina's case they knew that the couple would get hate because karina has female followers (its obvious from her fan interactions). So of course karina's dating life should be in private if they don't want to get any hate but dispatch released the pictures and if both companies denied it they would have post more pictures (which might turnish their repo more) so i would say they did it to save both of them despite the hate they are getting now whatever dispatch had might have been more damaging than this.

SPOILERSPOILER

Remember when rv's leader and stylist scandal? They made Irene apologize right away because the stylist had recording of what irene said to her that day. That could have ended her career so they made a smart move there by making her apologize. Though her repo is tarnished still she's working.

You. Don't. Know. That. You. Just. Made. It. Up.

Can you please stop making up things?
Dispatch was eager to release their shit regardless of how hurt the idol would be. I don't know why they didn't consult SM since they apparently blackmail like this? Although this could yet again be bs made by you people who live in a kdrama or something. Dispatch doesn't have proof, just a trustable source most probably like one of this actor's colleague or even his agency itself. The pics they released are random and not proof in any way, they're just signaling that they know a bunch about the two.

The spoiler part has nothing to do with Dispatch, the stylist came forward on Instagram to expose Irene because he/she was sick of her. She threatened Irene to release more if the behavior continued and if Irene did not apologize. It wasn't dispatch but for whatever reason, you made it as if it was to pretend you know that Dispatch has more proof. They do not have more proof than that.


Facts:
-Dispatch always releases proof
-For Karina's scandal, it's the first time in probably a decade at least they did not post proof, chances are they have none but instead someone close to the couple told them they were a thing
-Dispatch doesn't double down if a company denies, if they have proof they post it that's all.


No need to make up anything else than that.

Karina probably did everything in her power to hide it and the fact that it got exposed this soon might have made her feel quite bad (i guess since she's silent ever since). Or it's fake... not probable given both companies confirmed.

DA
why would the agencies confirm it, surely they know it'll cause this shit storm. Dispatch usually goes to the agency first before revealing this stuff, so why didnt SM and whatever his agency pay them off instead, I'm pretty sure their agencies knew about the story before hand given how quickly both agencies responded to confirm it. And even if dispatch didnt go to the agencies first then why didnt they just deny it, looks like they dont have photo proof of them together anyways. Maybe the dude's agency didnt want to pay for the story to be squashed because he was leaving the agency soon but what about SM, they could have paid out dispatch for sure. This whole scandal doesnt make any sense to me because these questions in my brain cant be answered in a logical way, so maybe one of you can see something I'm missing.

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I don't follow Aespa much and wouldn't call myself an Aespa fan (although to me they have some of the best music in kpop with a concept that I dig A LOT i'm always hyped and impressed)
But man, I want Karina to be ok. Where is she? Apparently she reads bubble messages from morning to evening, how do they even know that? I truly hope she will not apologize and i want her to keep her chin up, it's time korea stops bullying idols for dating especially since they seem obsessed with romance but somehow adults who sing can't experience that...

[Guest]

I don't follow Aespa much and wouldn't call myself an Aespa fan (although to me they have some of the best music in kpop with a concept that I dig A LOT i'm always hyped and impressed)
But man, I want Karina to be ok. Where is she? Apparently she reads bubble messages from morning to evening, how do they even know that? I truly hope she will not apologize and i want her to keep her chin up, it's time korea stops bullying idols for dating especially since they seem obsessed with romance but somehow adults who sing can't experience that...

keeping her head low and staying out of sight and not engaging with fans is the only thing she can do right now before she says the wrong thing and upset even more people. People need to stop being possessive over idols because theres no point its not like they'll ever date a fan. But they also need to stop queerbaiting for both their sakes and the fans.

[Guest]

They definitely did went on a date, the pictures doesn’t mean anything it just shows that she was stalk. If SM and Cjes didn’t confirm immediately, they would have release more pictures of them together.

Da No proof for the first time in all of dispatch history so congrats for personally knowing karina to be so sure about her dating life.
Also you don't know what dispatch would have done, because everytime they have proof they drop it, unless they get paid I suppose

Da, if you notice previous dating news from the same company they never deny it if its true. they might take time to confirm it. In Karina's case they knew that the couple would get hate because karina has female followers (its obvious from her fan interactions). So of course karina's dating life should be in private if they don't want to get any hate but dispatch released the pictures and if both companies denied it they would have post more pictures (which might turnish their repo more) so i would say they did it to save both of them despite the hate they are getting now whatever dispatch had might have been more damaging than this.

SPOILERSPOILER

Remember when rv's leader and stylist scandal? They made Irene apologize right away because the stylist had recording of what irene said to her that day. That could have ended her career so they made a smart move there by making her apologize. Though her repo is tarnished still she's working.

You. Don't. Know. That. You. Just. Made. It. Up.

Can you please stop making up things?
Dispatch was eager to release their shit regardless of how hurt the idol would be. I don't know why they didn't consult SM since they apparently blackmail like this? Although this could yet again be bs made by you people who live in a kdrama or something. Dispatch doesn't have proof, just a trustable source most probably like one of this actor's colleague or even his agency itself. The pics they released are random and not proof in any way, they're just signaling that they know a bunch about the two.

The spoiler part has nothing to do with Dispatch, the stylist came forward on Instagram to expose Irene because he/she was sick of her. She threatened Irene to release more if the behavior continued and if Irene did not apologize. It wasn't dispatch but for whatever reason, you made it as if it was to pretend you know that Dispatch has more proof. They do not have more proof than that.


Facts:
-Dispatch always releases proof
-For Karina's scandal, it's the first time in probably a decade at least they did not post proof, chances are they have none but instead someone close to the couple told them they were a thing
-Dispatch doesn't double down if a company denies, if they have proof they post it that's all.


No need to make up anything else than that.

Karina probably did everything in her power to hide it and the fact that it got exposed this soon might have made her feel quite bad (i guess since she's silent ever since). Or it's fake... not probable given both companies confirmed.

DA
why would the agencies confirm it, surely they know it'll cause this shit storm. Dispatch usually goes to the agency first before revealing this stuff, so why didnt SM and whatever his agency pay them off instead, I'm pretty sure their agencies knew about the story before hand given how quickly both agencies responded to confirm it. And even if dispatch didnt go to the agencies first then why didnt they just deny it, looks like they dont have photo proof of them together anyways. Maybe the dude's agency didnt want to pay for the story to be squashed because he was leaving the agency soon but what about SM, they could have paid out dispatch for sure. This whole scandal doesnt make any sense to me because these questions in my brain cant be answered in a logical way, so maybe one of you can see something I'm missing.

Dispatch outed Jihyo at her prime. A JYPE idol. I don't know where the "dispatch goes to the agency first" info comes from but it seems they never do or lots of idols would've never been outed.
Kdrama version : they actually make blackmail deals but the mean CEOs hate the female idols for dating so let dispatch expose them as punition.

Like all paparazzis, dispatch's job and hobby is to expose celebrities regardless of the consequences, the more hot the scandal the more traffic, engagement and money they get. They might occasionally blackmail but if that was true wouldn't Karina out of all idols be protected? Or the bunch of IT girls before that?

My theory :
Dispatch desperately needed a scandal because they've been lacking for years. Someone close to the actor magically appeared with the hottest tea about karina and ljw. No proof. But the desperation of having finally a scandal made them skip the visual proof steps, they came up with dumb unrelated pics as illustration.
I think the guy's company confirmed first. Sm probably consulted quickly with Karina. Seeing the guy's company confirmed and Karina too, they took their L and confirmed. That's the only scenario that makes sense to me.

Though... Other than dispatch not releasing proof, the dude's drama being released the very next day, him also two days after announcing creating his own label.... Other than all that he ALSO allegedly broke up with his gf who he dated for over a YEAR and 2 months after was already dating karina officially (since people around them knew), and that's despite the hectic schedules of the two celebrities at that time... but ok why not, and on top of that you get freaking outed at the very beginning of this relationship... If the girlfriend story is true for me it's a little bit too many coincidences.

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Dispatch also needs money to live, they are not philanthropists or justice warriors. They can receive money to stay silent, can also receive money to reveal someone's information (can be real or fake information), and can also receive money to defend someone (can be that person is right or wrong). I have listened to music and followed SM's music groups from the 2nd generation until now, and I doubt this dating/courting news, maybe this news is used to hide the company's scandal or scandal of a certain idol in the company (this courtship/dating news may be true or it may be fake)

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I don't follow Aespa much and wouldn't call myself an Aespa fan (although to me they have some of the best music in kpop with a concept that I dig A LOT i'm always hyped and impressed)
But man, I want Karina to be ok. Where is she? Apparently she reads bubble messages from morning to evening, how do they even know that? I truly hope she will not apologize and i want her to keep her chin up, it's time korea stops bullying idols for dating especially since they seem obsessed with romance but somehow adults who sing can't experience that...

keeping her head low and staying out of sight and not engaging with fans is the only thing she can do right now before she says the wrong thing and upset even more people. People need to stop being possessive over idols because theres no point its not like they'll ever date a fan. But they also need to stop queerbaiting for both their sakes and the fans.

DA how do you know she queerbaited, she can still like girls. Queerbaiting is the result of fans being too simpy because korea is unable to let idols date. Idols feel they have to do cringe fan service. Also hope you're not a fan

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Da No proof for the first time in all of dispatch history so congrats for personally knowing karina to be so sure about her dating life.
Also you don't know what dispatch would have done, because everytime they have proof they drop it, unless they get paid I suppose

Da, if you notice previous dating news from the same company they never deny it if its true. they might take time to confirm it. In Karina's case they knew that the couple would get hate because karina has female followers (its obvious from her fan interactions). So of course karina's dating life should be in private if they don't want to get any hate but dispatch released the pictures and if both companies denied it they would have post more pictures (which might turnish their repo more) so i would say they did it to save both of them despite the hate they are getting now whatever dispatch had might have been more damaging than this.

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Remember when rv's leader and stylist scandal? They made Irene apologize right away because the stylist had recording of what irene said to her that day. That could have ended her career so they made a smart move there by making her apologize. Though her repo is tarnished still she's working.

You. Don't. Know. That. You. Just. Made. It. Up.

Can you please stop making up things?
Dispatch was eager to release their shit regardless of how hurt the idol would be. I don't know why they didn't consult SM since they apparently blackmail like this? Although this could yet again be bs made by you people who live in a kdrama or something. Dispatch doesn't have proof, just a trustable source most probably like one of this actor's colleague or even his agency itself. The pics they released are random and not proof in any way, they're just signaling that they know a bunch about the two.

The spoiler part has nothing to do with Dispatch, the stylist came forward on Instagram to expose Irene because he/she was sick of her. She threatened Irene to release more if the behavior continued and if Irene did not apologize. It wasn't dispatch but for whatever reason, you made it as if it was to pretend you know that Dispatch has more proof. They do not have more proof than that.


Facts:
-Dispatch always releases proof
-For Karina's scandal, it's the first time in probably a decade at least they did not post proof, chances are they have none but instead someone close to the couple told them they were a thing
-Dispatch doesn't double down if a company denies, if they have proof they post it that's all.


No need to make up anything else than that.

Karina probably did everything in her power to hide it and the fact that it got exposed this soon might have made her feel quite bad (i guess since she's silent ever since). Or it's fake... not probable given both companies confirmed.

DA
why would the agencies confirm it, surely they know it'll cause this shit storm. Dispatch usually goes to the agency first before revealing this stuff, so why didnt SM and whatever his agency pay them off instead, I'm pretty sure their agencies knew about the story before hand given how quickly both agencies responded to confirm it. And even if dispatch didnt go to the agencies first then why didnt they just deny it, looks like they dont have photo proof of them together anyways. Maybe the dude's agency didnt want to pay for the story to be squashed because he was leaving the agency soon but what about SM, they could have paid out dispatch for sure. This whole scandal doesnt make any sense to me because these questions in my brain cant be answered in a logical way, so maybe one of you can see something I'm missing.

Dispatch outed Jihyo at her prime. A JYPE idol. I don't know where the "dispatch goes to the agency first" info comes from but it seems they never do or lots of idols would've never been outed.

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Kdrama version : they actually make blackmail deals but the mean CEOs hate the female idols for dating so let dispatch expose them as punition.

Like all paparazzis, dispatch's job and hobby is to expose celebrities regardless of the consequences, the more hot the scandal the more traffic, engagement and money they get. They might occasionally blackmail but if that was true wouldn't Karina out of all idols be protected? Or the bunch of IT girls before that?

My theory :
Dispatch desperately needed a scandal because they've been lacking for years. Someone close to the actor magically appeared with the hottest tea about karina and ljw. No proof. But the desperation of having finally a scandal made them skip the visual proof steps, they came up with dumb unrelated pics as illustration.
I think the guy's company confirmed first. Sm probably consulted quickly with Karina. Seeing the guy's company confirmed and Karina too, they took their L and confirmed. That's the only scenario that makes sense to me.

Though... Other than dispatch not releasing proof, the dude's drama being released the very next day, him also two days after announcing creating his own label.... Other than all that he ALSO allegedly broke up with his gf who he dated for over a YEAR and 2 months after was already dating karina officially (since people around them knew), and that's despite the hectic schedules of the two celebrities at that time... but ok why not, and on top of that you get freaking outed at the very beginning of this relationship... If the girlfriend story is true for me it's a little bit too many coincidences.

I just want to put the record straight. There was no way Jype & Jihyo could stop the news. The dating news was released primarely to hurt her bf kd. He was way more popular than jihyo. The guy had just won a court case to get out of his contract with his previous company and start his own company. The dating scandal was away for his old company to get back at him. And honestly it did work because it did lose a good amount of ajumma fans.
Jihyo was just simply collateral damage.

Also despite jype big 3 status they never had the same fear factor or connections as SM or YG at their prime.

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What do you think? Is there a chance it's fake or still cope?

They definitely did went on a date, the pictures doesn’t mean anything it just shows that she was stalk. If SM and Cjes didn’t confirm immediately, they would have release more pictures of them together.

Da No proof for the first time in all of dispatch history so congrats for personally knowing karina to be so sure about her dating life.
Also you don't know what dispatch would have done, because everytime they have proof they drop it, unless they get paid I suppose

Da, if you notice previous dating news from the same company they never deny it if its true. they might take time to confirm it. In Karina's case they knew that the couple would get hate because karina has female followers (its obvious from her fan interactions). So of course karina's dating life should be in private if they don't want to get any hate but dispatch released the pictures and if both companies denied it they would have post more pictures (which might turnish their repo more) so i would say they did it to save both of them despite the hate they are getting now whatever dispatch had might have been more damaging than this.

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Remember when rv's leader and stylist scandal? They made Irene apologize right away because the stylist had recording of what irene said to her that day. That could have ended her career so they made a smart move there by making her apologize. Though her repo is tarnished still she's working.

You. Don't. Know. That. You. Just. Made. It. Up.

Can you please stop making up things?
Dispatch was eager to release their shit regardless of how hurt the idol would be. I don't know why they didn't consult SM since they apparently blackmail like this? Although this could yet again be bs made by you people who live in a kdrama or something. Dispatch doesn't have proof, just a trustable source most probably like one of this actor's colleague or even his agency itself. The pics they released are random and not proof in any way, they're just signaling that they know a bunch about the two.

The spoiler part has nothing to do with Dispatch, the stylist came forward on Instagram to expose Irene because he/she was sick of her. She threatened Irene to release more if the behavior continued and if Irene did not apologize. It wasn't dispatch but for whatever reason, you made it as if it was to pretend you know that Dispatch has more proof. They do not have more proof than that.


Facts:
-Dispatch always releases proof
-For Karina's scandal, it's the first time in probably a decade at least they did not post proof, chances are they have none but instead someone close to the couple told them they were a thing
-Dispatch doesn't double down if a company denies, if they have proof they post it that's all.


No need to make up anything else than that.

Karina probably did everything in her power to hide it and the fact that it got exposed this soon might have made her feel quite bad (i guess since she's silent ever since). Or it's fake... not probable given both companies confirmed.

How do you know if they consult SM or not? Dispatch is out for money of course they are gonna ask for a large amount before releasing the news to public. If they dont get money by contacting the agency they gonna public it. Don’t fool yourself thinking that you know everything. Do some research first before giving out facts.

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actually I read a reddit post recently about how dispatch really works that makes WAY more sense than what the average kpop stan thinks how dispatch works.
TLDR; Everything that comes out from dispatch is planned. Dispatch and agencies work with each other, not against

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actually I read a reddit post recently about how dispatch really works that makes WAY more sense than what the average kpop stan thinks how dispatch works.
TLDR; Everything that comes out from dispatch is planned. Dispatch and agencies work with each other, not against

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No source for the first part of his post. Tiffany suffered from her dating reveal. Jihyo too. I didn't think it'd hurt Karina much but now i'm thinking this will seriously damage her. Men may be advantaged by it (kang daniel not so much apparently), but Jennie suffered a lot because it. I believe they're ethical though, but they're still paparazzis, no source they "help" idols, it makes idols lose their male fans almost everytime.

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actually I read a reddit post recently about how dispatch really works that makes WAY more sense than what the average kpop stan thinks how dispatch works.
TLDR; Everything that comes out from dispatch is planned. Dispatch and agencies work with each other, not against

Second post by johnnystation

No source for the first part of his post. Tiffany suffered from her dating reveal. Jihyo too. I didn't think it'd hurt Karina much but now i'm thinking this will seriously damage her. Men may be advantaged by it (kang daniel not so much apparently), but Jennie suffered a lot because it. I believe they're ethical though, but they're still paparazzis, no source they "help" idols, it makes idols lose their male fans almost everytime.

theres no source for any of how dispatch works, it's all rumors. To me this makes more sense though.

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actually I read a reddit post recently about how dispatch really works that makes WAY more sense than what the average kpop stan thinks how dispatch works.
TLDR; Everything that comes out from dispatch is planned. Dispatch and agencies work with each other, not against

Second post by johnnystation

No source for the first part of his post. Tiffany suffered from her dating reveal. Jihyo too. I didn't think it'd hurt Karina much but now i'm thinking this will seriously damage her. Men may be advantaged by it (kang daniel not so much apparently), but Jennie suffered a lot because it. I believe they're ethical though, but they're still paparazzis, no source they "help" idols, it makes idols lose their male fans almost everytime.

theres no source for any of how dispatch works, it's all rumors. To me this makes more sense though.

SA,
Jennie did not suffer a lot from it LMAO what makes you think that? Of course all idols have parasocial fans that will unstan once they hear idols get into relationship but Jennie is a global star, even if these parasocial fans arent fans anymore that doesnt even come CLOSE to putting a dent into her fanbase. Cant say anything about Tiffany and Jihyo because I dont know the details well.

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im expecting a rebrand from karina. if SM is smart.

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im expecting a rebrand from karina. if SM is smart.

They'll have to, no one is going to buy her lesbian Jesus fanservice act anymore

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actually I read a reddit post recently about how dispatch really works that makes WAY more sense than what the average kpop stan thinks how dispatch works.
TLDR; Everything that comes out from dispatch is planned. Dispatch and agencies work with each other, not against

Second post by johnnystation

No source for the first part of his post. Tiffany suffered from her dating reveal. Jihyo too. I didn't think it'd hurt Karina much but now i'm thinking this will seriously damage her. Men may be advantaged by it (kang daniel not so much apparently), but Jennie suffered a lot because it. I believe they're ethical though, but they're still paparazzis, no source they "help" idols, it makes idols lose their male fans almost everytime.

theres no source for any of how dispatch works, it's all rumors. To me this makes more sense though.

SA,
Jennie did not suffer a lot from it LMAO what makes you think that? Of course all idols have parasocial fans that will unstan once they hear idols get into relationship but Jennie is a global star, even if these parasocial fans arent fans anymore that doesnt even come CLOSE to putting a dent into her fanbase. Cant say anything about Tiffany and Jihyo because I dont know the details well.

I meant suffer psychologically for jennie who received massive hate. No "Saint" like they call them in that idiotic no sourced post, will expose female idols to this hatred.
Since Jennie has a idgaf personality it's not as impactful to her, also blackpink's status and image doesn't make them suffer from dating. But an idol like Karina who truly does give a fuck and cares a lot and for who potentially money comes from obsessed incels, it can be damaging at all levels.

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Don't know why its so hard for some stans to believe that their bias can date anyone they want it's their life we cannot control it. They are idols and they are surrounded by attractive people most of the time of course they are gonna date whether its serious or not. We should get out of their onscreen act. Whatever they do in front of the fans is to satisfy them, make them happy.

For example there were times if an idol were asked if they have anyone they are dating and the idol had to reply they have their fans so they don't need anyone. Obviously its not true they are dating privately no one gonna die virgin because of fans but they got to reply this to make fans happy and make money. thats their professional life and dating is their personal life. Don't know stans cannot be just satisfied with their fav idols performance, singing ability or other talents and leave their personal life alone? Asian idols/actors must envy western celebs because they don't get hate for dating unless they are dating a criminal.

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lmao

I'm not trying to be delulu but does anyone else find the timing of this announcement to be weird? They've only known each other for a month and now all of a sudden they are in love? Even though they both have really busy schedules right now, how the hell do you fall in love in a month of hardly spending time together, assuming best case scenario they spent every evening together for 30 days...it's still not enough. Both agencies were extremely quick to confirm it...like suspiciously quick. I don't trust anything dispatch or the agencies says ever since I've learned how dispatch works. They first go to the idol's agencies with the news and strike a deal with them, most of the times it's either the agencies pay them to shut up, or they give them another story in replacement, or they think the story is not a big deal and allows it to be exposed. I really doubt it's the latter because Karina dating someone is a big deal. Its very hard to believe that this was not a planned announcement, some people are saying this is a regular korean tactic, using idols to cover up their political situation but idk anything about what's happening in Korean politics so I won't speak to that. It doesn't make any sense to me as to why SM let dispatch expose this/didn't pay dispatch out on this story, Karina is one of the most desired female kpop idol right now amongst BOTH women and men, her fandom I'd say is majority wlw, exposing her dating life will only cause her to lose stans which means less money for SM. If they claimed they were in a relationship for years it would be more believable because at least they are in a steady relationship. but for something so new and fresh, this is a big risk to take since they could literally chose to end things tomorrow, if this happens what was the point of it all? They really would just lose a bunch of stans for no reason. To me they are covering up something way bigger or trying to distract the population from something. It literally doesn't make sense, and I'm not just saying that as a Karina stan. It's not like Karina needs more exposure to become more famous either, the girl's face is everywhere in Korea.

I have a conspiracy theorist mindset so I tend to doubt stuff, and of course I doubt this as well. Someone mentioned he has a kdrama airing tomorrow/today so maybe there's some arrangements going on there? Idk if kdramas are more profitable than a group as big as Aespa so why would they "sacrifice" karina over this... And it also reminds me of Jisoo's dating scandal that I believed initially until I saw people pointing out how weird it was.
I'm not into gossip much so I don't know how dispatch works or how it usually happens etc, but by logic I don't understand why companies would confirm a relationship if there is no proof (both have none), if the idol is seeing the guy for just a few weeks, and for Karina in terms of kpop culture it was better to pretend she was single, so why they got so quick to confirm it... And the SM message was an exact copy of the actor's company message, maybe pr people just copy pasted it, idk but could also be planned.

If it's planned it's on idols behalf, I don't think Karina was aware this was gonna drop, or aware just recently.
I have my doubts on the whole thing, I half believe half don't. But I'd say it's even more sus than Jisoo's that i already had huge doubts for.

Stop embarrassing yourself. Jisoo was dating that guy for way longer than people realised. Nothing weird about it. Karina is dating this dude.

Just admit the girls you wanted to be gay are straight. It's embarrassing to label them as if they are fictional characters.

Right cause you know jisoo and karina and the whole truth of the universe.

I know they both dated men. We have proof of that. But yes, you who they wouldn't even know if they stumbled over you know they are secretly gay. Of course!

I know you are just wishful thinking. Get a life of your own. It's always the straightest girls you claim.

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Apparently Karina's apology made it to BBC News and The Zach Sang Show. Now that it's made its way to western media, Knetiz are saying how this is so embarrassing for the country, like it's not the same idiots who are against idols dating.

Girlie talked about wanting dye her hair blonde again on bubble even though before she said she'll never go back blonde (you know what they say about a girl who suddenly wants to get he hair dyed...she going through it)

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Apparently Karina's apology made it to BBC News and The Zach Sang Show. Now that it's made its way to western media, Knetiz are saying how this is so embarrassing for the country, like it's not the same idiots who are against idols dating.

Girlie talked about wanting dye her hair blonde again on bubble even though before she said she'll never go back blonde (you know what they say about a girl who suddenly wants to get he hair dyed...she going through it)

Who's even surprised

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In the first vid she looks like a war veteran looking back at her life.
And these clothes are... nice.



I can't wait to see how she'll act if it's gonna be different or not

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In the first vid she looks like a war veteran looking back at her life.
And these clothes are... nice.



I can't wait to see how she'll act if it's gonna be different or not

Same. I also want to see how she acts around winter, I get that they are probably naturally just touchy friends but some of it had to be fanservice, they were literally on eachother 24/7... And Karina was always flirting with her

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In the first vid she looks like a war veteran looking back at her life.
And these clothes are... nice.

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I can't wait to see how she'll act if it's gonna be different or not

Same. I also want to see how she acts around winter, I get that they are probably naturally just touchy friends but some of it had to be fanservice, they were literally on eachother 24/7... And Karina was always flirting with her

Da no she wasn't, and Winter also participated in the very weak "flirting" they did. They just touched hands, did hearts with their fingers and other stuff that are what every close friends do. In comparison to Ryeji they're absolutely not gaybaiting or flirting at all.

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Can karina fans tell me how this woman apologized for dating? Is this on brand with her personality? Isn't the way she apologized borderline disrespectful to the boyfriend? It's like he matters less than fans delusions.
Idk karina gave more "confident" vibes and that letter was the opposite of that, pathetic even.

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Can karina fans tell me how this woman apologized for dating? Is this on brand with her personality? Isn't the way she apologized borderline disrespectful to the boyfriend? It's like he matters less than fans delusions.
Idk karina gave more "confident" vibes and that letter was the opposite of that, pathetic even.

at the end of the day the business comes first. the apology was her apologising (or SM making her apologise) to what are essentially her moneymakers. karinas brand relies on maintaining a parasocial delusion/relationship with both her female and male fans. her dating news shattered that image. people diss them a lot but parasocial fans spend so much money on these idols, losing them would hurt both karina but SM especially.

if karina was marketed in the same way jennie/wonyoung/krystal are, untouchable, princessey & barely any queerbaity fanservice, she wouldn't have apologised or been made to.

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In the first vid she looks like a war veteran looking back at her life.
And these clothes are... nice.

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I can't wait to see how she'll act if it's gonna be different or not

Same. I also want to see how she acts around winter, I get that they are probably naturally just touchy friends but some of it had to be fanservice, they were literally on eachother 24/7... And Karina was always flirting with her

Da no she wasn't, and Winter also participated in the very weak "flirting" they did. They just touched hands, did hearts with their fingers and other stuff that are what every close friends do. In comparison to Ryeji they're absolutely not gaybaiting or flirting at all.

Yeah no..sorry Karina was clearly flirting, fanservice flirting. Saying how the seat she'll take when in a classroom will be next to winter. Saying winter is cute whenever she breathes, her literally saying she's flirting with winter when she playfully touches her during drama performances. It might not be REAL flirting but it was definitely fan service flirting so I don't know what to tell you, you must be dense to think Karina wasn't flirting with her

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Can karina fans tell me how this woman apologized for dating? Is this on brand with her personality? Isn't the way she apologized borderline disrespectful to the boyfriend? It's like he matters less than fans delusions.
Idk karina gave more "confident" vibes and that letter was the opposite of that, pathetic even.

at the end of the day the business comes first. the apology was her apologising (or SM making her apologise) to what are essentially her moneymakers. karinas brand relies on maintaining a parasocial delusion/relationship with both her female and male fans. her dating news shattered that image. people diss them a lot but parasocial fans spend so much money on these idols, losing them would hurt both karina but SM especially.

if karina was marketed in the same way jennie/wonyoung/krystal are, untouchable, princessey & barely any queerbaity fanservice, she wouldn't have apologised or been made to.

DA
This is all such a trainwreck it doesn't make sense as to why SM allowed her image to be destroyed like this. Karina had such great potential for SM. At first I thought this was an attempt to rebrand Karina into the princess image but after the apology I don't think so...this all doesn't make sense to me

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In the first vid she looks like a war veteran looking back at her life.
And these clothes are... nice.

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I can't wait to see how she'll act if it's gonna be different or not

Same. I also want to see how she acts around winter, I get that they are probably naturally just touchy friends but some of it had to be fanservice, they were literally on eachother 24/7... And Karina was always flirting with her

Da no she wasn't, and Winter also participated in the very weak "flirting" they did. They just touched hands, did hearts with their fingers and other stuff that are what every close friends do. In comparison to Ryeji they're absolutely not gaybaiting or flirting at all.

Yeah no..sorry Karina was clearly flirting, fanservice flirting. Saying how the seat she'll take when in a classroom will be next to winter. Saying winter is cute whenever she breathes, her literally saying she's flirting with winter when she playfully touches her during drama performances. It might not be REAL flirting but it was definitely fan service flirting so I don't know what to tell you, you must be dense to think Karina wasn't flirting with her

"Saying how the seat she'll take when in a classroom will be next to winter."
You call that flirting in all seriousness...

"Saying winter is cute whenever she breathes, her literally saying she's flirting with winter when she playfully touches her during drama performances."

I'm sorry but is Karina forbidden to even interact with Winter or you'll start having ideas and call it fanservice? If Karina is gay/bisexual and Winter is her type maybe you could say that this is proof she's into her but... flirting? She also playfully touched the other members not just Winter and called Ningning cute several times. But anyways if you think that's flirting then whatever

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In the first vid she looks like a war veteran looking back at her life.
And these clothes are... nice.

SPOILERSPOILER

I can't wait to see how she'll act if it's gonna be different or not

Same. I also want to see how she acts around winter, I get that they are probably naturally just touchy friends but some of it had to be fanservice, they were literally on eachother 24/7... And Karina was always flirting with her

Da no she wasn't, and Winter also participated in the very weak "flirting" they did. They just touched hands, did hearts with their fingers and other stuff that are what every close friends do. In comparison to Ryeji they're absolutely not gaybaiting or flirting at all.

Yeah no..sorry Karina was clearly flirting, fanservice flirting. Saying how the seat she'll take when in a classroom will be next to winter. Saying winter is cute whenever she breathes, her literally saying she's flirting with winter when she playfully touches her during drama performances. It might not be REAL flirting but it was definitely fan service flirting so I don't know what to tell you, you must be dense to think Karina wasn't flirting with her

"Saying how the seat she'll take when in a classroom will be next to winter."
You call that flirting in all seriousness...

"Saying winter is cute whenever she breathes, her literally saying she's flirting with winter when she playfully touches her during drama performances."

I'm sorry but is Karina forbidden to even interact with Winter or you'll start having ideas and call it fanservice? If Karina is gay/bisexual and Winter is her type maybe you could say that this is proof she's into her but... flirting? She also playfully touched the other members not just Winter and called Ningning cute several times. But anyways if you think that's flirting then whatever

Jesus Christ some of you are idiots. Have you ever been flirted with before? What do you think flirting is?it's not all "I want to fuck you" type shit. Some of the times it's more lighthearted. And what are you going to say about the time she literally said she's flirting with winter when she touches her in drama performances, you casually left that out. FANSERVICE. Thank you next.

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Same. I also want to see how she acts around winter, I get that they are probably naturally just touchy friends but some of it had to be fanservice, they were literally on eachother 24/7... And Karina was always flirting with her

Da no she wasn't, and Winter also participated in the very weak "flirting" they did. They just touched hands, did hearts with their fingers and other stuff that are what every close friends do. In comparison to Ryeji they're absolutely not gaybaiting or flirting at all.

Yeah no..sorry Karina was clearly flirting, fanservice flirting. Saying how the seat she'll take when in a classroom will be next to winter. Saying winter is cute whenever she breathes, her literally saying she's flirting with winter when she playfully touches her during drama performances. It might not be REAL flirting but it was definitely fan service flirting so I don't know what to tell you, you must be dense to think Karina wasn't flirting with her

"Saying how the seat she'll take when in a classroom will be next to winter."
You call that flirting in all seriousness...

"Saying winter is cute whenever she breathes, her literally saying she's flirting with winter when she playfully touches her during drama performances."

I'm sorry but is Karina forbidden to even interact with Winter or you'll start having ideas and call it fanservice? If Karina is gay/bisexual and Winter is her type maybe you could say that this is proof she's into her but... flirting? She also playfully touched the other members not just Winter and called Ningning cute several times. But anyways if you think that's flirting then whatever

Jesus Christ some of you are idiots. Have you ever been flirted with before? What do you think flirting is?it's not all "I want to fuck you" type shit. Some of the times it's more lighthearted. And what are you going to say about the time she literally said she's flirting with winter when she touches her in drama performances, you casually left that out. FANSERVICE. Thank you next.

SA
And you're missing the point moron. It's not that she's playfully touching her, it's the fact that she said she was flirting with her. That sentence alone is fanservice jeeessssusssssss

[Guest]

Da no she wasn't, and Winter also participated in the very weak "flirting" they did. They just touched hands, did hearts with their fingers and other stuff that are what every close friends do. In comparison to Ryeji they're absolutely not gaybaiting or flirting at all.

Yeah no..sorry Karina was clearly flirting, fanservice flirting. Saying how the seat she'll take when in a classroom will be next to winter. Saying winter is cute whenever she breathes, her literally saying she's flirting with winter when she playfully touches her during drama performances. It might not be REAL flirting but it was definitely fan service flirting so I don't know what to tell you, you must be dense to think Karina wasn't flirting with her

"Saying how the seat she'll take when in a classroom will be next to winter."
You call that flirting in all seriousness...

"Saying winter is cute whenever she breathes, her literally saying she's flirting with winter when she playfully touches her during drama performances."

I'm sorry but is Karina forbidden to even interact with Winter or you'll start having ideas and call it fanservice? If Karina is gay/bisexual and Winter is her type maybe you could say that this is proof she's into her but... flirting? She also playfully touched the other members not just Winter and called Ningning cute several times. But anyways if you think that's flirting then whatever

Jesus Christ some of you are idiots. Have you ever been flirted with before? What do you think flirting is?it's not all "I want to fuck you" type shit. Some of the times it's more lighthearted. And what are you going to say about the time she literally said she's flirting with winter when she touches her in drama performances, you casually left that out. FANSERVICE. Thank you next.

SA
And you're missing the point moron. It's not that she's playfully touching her, it's the fact that she said she was flirting with her. That sentence alone is fanservice jeeessssusssssss

My bad I didn't read the "her saying she's flirting" part. But I disagree except for that time she said this, Winrina is a gaybait ship that fanservice flirts. They're light, pre school tier of flirting maybe.

[Guest]

Yeah no..sorry Karina was clearly flirting, fanservice flirting. Saying how the seat she'll take when in a classroom will be next to winter. Saying winter is cute whenever she breathes, her literally saying she's flirting with winter when she playfully touches her during drama performances. It might not be REAL flirting but it was definitely fan service flirting so I don't know what to tell you, you must be dense to think Karina wasn't flirting with her

"Saying how the seat she'll take when in a classroom will be next to winter."
You call that flirting in all seriousness...

"Saying winter is cute whenever she breathes, her literally saying she's flirting with winter when she playfully touches her during drama performances."

I'm sorry but is Karina forbidden to even interact with Winter or you'll start having ideas and call it fanservice? If Karina is gay/bisexual and Winter is her type maybe you could say that this is proof she's into her but... flirting? She also playfully touched the other members not just Winter and called Ningning cute several times. But anyways if you think that's flirting then whatever

Jesus Christ some of you are idiots. Have you ever been flirted with before? What do you think flirting is?it's not all "I want to fuck you" type shit. Some of the times it's more lighthearted. And what are you going to say about the time she literally said she's flirting with winter when she touches her in drama performances, you casually left that out. FANSERVICE. Thank you next.

SA
And you're missing the point moron. It's not that she's playfully touching her, it's the fact that she said she was flirting with her. That sentence alone is fanservice jeeessssusssssss

My bad I didn't read the "her saying she's flirting" part. But I disagree except for that time she said this, Winrina is a gaybait ship that fanservice flirts. They're light, pre school tier of flirting maybe.

....it's like talking to a wall...I said their flirting is fanservice

[Guest]

"Saying how the seat she'll take when in a classroom will be next to winter."
You call that flirting in all seriousness...

"Saying winter is cute whenever she breathes, her literally saying she's flirting with winter when she playfully touches her during drama performances."

I'm sorry but is Karina forbidden to even interact with Winter or you'll start having ideas and call it fanservice? If Karina is gay/bisexual and Winter is her type maybe you could say that this is proof she's into her but... flirting? She also playfully touched the other members not just Winter and called Ningning cute several times. But anyways if you think that's flirting then whatever

Jesus Christ some of you are idiots. Have you ever been flirted with before? What do you think flirting is?it's not all "I want to fuck you" type shit. Some of the times it's more lighthearted. And what are you going to say about the time she literally said she's flirting with winter when she touches her in drama performances, you casually left that out. FANSERVICE. Thank you next.

SA
And you're missing the point moron. It's not that she's playfully touching her, it's the fact that she said she was flirting with her. That sentence alone is fanservice jeeessssusssssss

My bad I didn't read the "her saying she's flirting" part. But I disagree except for that time she said this, Winrina is a gaybait ship that fanservice flirts. They're light, pre school tier of flirting maybe.

....it's like talking to a wall...I said their flirting is fanservice

DA

It's honestly w/e. Fanservice has been around since the beginning of time and I can enjoy SM's (girl groups') fanservice since it's all about the good vibes/closeness between members at the end of the day. It's not the outright cringe, raunchy, and gay4pay fanservice that a lot of guy groups or guy/girl groups in other countries do.

WinRina may be straight but enjoy skinship+throwing flirty lines at each other like normal friends do irl (yes, friends can jokingly flirt with each other). Or they might be bi and have been attracted to each other at one point during the long ass time they've known each other and thus we get glimpses of tension here and there It's fine to believe in whichever scenario while acknowledging that some of the things we get to see from them are fanservice because these interactions all fall under bonding and everyone likes seeing that. And I don't think fanservice is problematic when members are actually close with each other. I think certain fans *make* it a problem when it's clear that they only like a certain idol because they want them to be 100% gay.

Like there's the group's music, the visuals, the performances, variety skills, and even just basic personality, but certain people only want to see, breathe, hear, and think through their hormones

WinRina isn't full-on gaybait to me because I think that term and the outrage that comes with it is cringe/exaggerated most of the time, and it's possible that they might just like being super touchy and interact with each other in similar degrees off-camera. If people have the understanding that it's a part of the culture and everything has a level of some fanservice if it's not kept private, then it shouldn't bother them so much. Even real couples, both famous and non-famous, do "fanservice" for the people that watch them.

I'd say gaybaiting in anime/manga (not subtext because there's a lot of depth there) is way more "real" but that's a different topic.