IRENE of RED VELVET

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She'll get more abs with another company.

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SM also wouldn't get the Prada deal for her, only to ruin it themselves. You understand that right? Stop being such cowards and acknowledge it's not SM fault that the editor is a sensitive person. You could have collected evidence that the editor was in some suspicious stuff involved, even other staff spoke against her. But no, you guys let 2 years pass and the editor is now a CEO of a clothing company, living out her little revenge fantasy.

DA She's always been the CEO of a clothing company. https://archive.is/lltt0

There's just so many instances that make SM questionable. I was following the RV thread before it turned into an akgae thread but that's where I read most of it.

da
SM has always been incompetent, Irene isn't some special case. Fans of those dudes like the one from ncti can easily claim that SM has a conspiracy against their fave and that he was simply a greedy manwhore which isn't exactly a crime, see? Anyone can start some conspiracy. There's nothing special in Irene's case beyond SM being shitty.

da, I agree. The fact that Irene apologized three times showed that she knew she fucked up and I admire that she took the initiative to own up to her action, not like the nct dude. SM is shit, we all know that but if Irene was in another company, they might just dropped her. Ang tbh, the lack of social media presence from Irene is affecting her overall career. Producers, magazine, or brands usually reach out to companies first or coordinate with a third party agency to help them find their next model/ambassadors. But if Irene knows that and it is still her choice to not post anything on insta, then I respect that. It is her choice.

Fans tend to project what they want because to be honest they just want to see more of her and that’s it. The question is, do we really know what Irene wants?

Anyone who has been a fan of more than one SM idol knows that the company is incompetent af, they weren't going to work to revive her career. When these things happen it's up to the idol to use the fact that SM keeps them in the group and their connections to revive their own career.

We don't know what she wants, we have her actions though and it's not like she's some mystery. Some things aren't hard to understand without projection, for example she clearly still cares about performing and enjoys it a lot and i didn't have to rely on words that idols say to please fans to get that. All i need is to see how happy she looks on stage. Yesterday's live showed that it's her decision not post on Instagram, the fact that she has control of her bubble and she's not that active all show that she does have some agency in this. Her scandal was linked to the fashion world and that was a huge part of her brand, so the absence of opportunities in understandable. No one wants to be the first to work with someone who was painted as the devil and wronged a senior and a part of that world.

She also seems happy, she might have hated LSM but she doesn't really seem to despise the company contrary to what some people want to believe. She is a fan of other SM acts and she goes to the concerts and she really doesn't look like she's held hostage. I don't understand what some people use to project their narrative, because it's certainly not things that come straight from Irene.

This! It was clear yesterday that Irene is happy. It has been a while since we saw her like that and what matters the most is that she is happy. Irene is now a senior in SM, contrary to what others believe, she has agency and can make her own decisions. She even voiced out that she wants to change the lighstick. Fans just think about themselves and what makes them happy, it’s not really about Irene.

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She'll get more abs with another company.

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Her abs are not dependent on the company she is under

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DA She's always been the CEO of a clothing company. https://archive.is/lltt0

There's just so many instances that make SM questionable. I was following the RV thread before it turned into an akgae thread but that's where I read most of it.

da
SM has always been incompetent, Irene isn't some special case. Fans of those dudes like the one from ncti can easily claim that SM has a conspiracy against their fave and that he was simply a greedy manwhore which isn't exactly a crime, see? Anyone can start some conspiracy. There's nothing special in Irene's case beyond SM being shitty.

da, I agree. The fact that Irene apologized three times showed that she knew she fucked up and I admire that she took the initiative to own up to her action, not like the nct dude. SM is shit, we all know that but if Irene was in another company, they might just dropped her. Ang tbh, the lack of social media presence from Irene is affecting her overall career. Producers, magazine, or brands usually reach out to companies first or coordinate with a third party agency to help them find their next model/ambassadors. But if Irene knows that and it is still her choice to not post anything on insta, then I respect that. It is her choice.

Fans tend to project what they want because to be honest they just want to see more of her and that’s it. The question is, do we really know what Irene wants?

Anyone who has been a fan of more than one SM idol knows that the company is incompetent af, they weren't going to work to revive her career. When these things happen it's up to the idol to use the fact that SM keeps them in the group and their connections to revive their own career.

We don't know what she wants, we have her actions though and it's not like she's some mystery. Some things aren't hard to understand without projection, for example she clearly still cares about performing and enjoys it a lot and i didn't have to rely on words that idols say to please fans to get that. All i need is to see how happy she looks on stage. Yesterday's live showed that it's her decision not post on Instagram, the fact that she has control of her bubble and she's not that active all show that she does have some agency in this. Her scandal was linked to the fashion world and that was a huge part of her brand, so the absence of opportunities in understandable. No one wants to be the first to work with someone who was painted as the devil and wronged a senior and a part of that world.

She also seems happy, she might have hated LSM but she doesn't really seem to despise the company contrary to what some people want to believe. She is a fan of other SM acts and she goes to the concerts and she really doesn't look like she's held hostage. I don't understand what some people use to project their narrative, because it's certainly not things that come straight from Irene.

This! It was clear yesterday that Irene is happy. It has been a while since we saw her like that and what matters the most is that she is happy. Irene is now a senior in SM, contrary to what others believe, she has agency and can make her own decisions. She even voiced out that she wants to change the lighstick. Fans just think about themselves and what makes them happy, it’s not really about Irene.

Irene has always been happy since birthday. She wanted to change the lightstick brightness and did SM listen? No.

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da
SM has always been incompetent, Irene isn't some special case. Fans of those dudes like the one from ncti can easily claim that SM has a conspiracy against their fave and that he was simply a greedy manwhore which isn't exactly a crime, see? Anyone can start some conspiracy. There's nothing special in Irene's case beyond SM being shitty.

da, I agree. The fact that Irene apologized three times showed that she knew she fucked up and I admire that she took the initiative to own up to her action, not like the nct dude. SM is shit, we all know that but if Irene was in another company, they might just dropped her. Ang tbh, the lack of social media presence from Irene is affecting her overall career. Producers, magazine, or brands usually reach out to companies first or coordinate with a third party agency to help them find their next model/ambassadors. But if Irene knows that and it is still her choice to not post anything on insta, then I respect that. It is her choice.

Fans tend to project what they want because to be honest they just want to see more of her and that’s it. The question is, do we really know what Irene wants?

Anyone who has been a fan of more than one SM idol knows that the company is incompetent af, they weren't going to work to revive her career. When these things happen it's up to the idol to use the fact that SM keeps them in the group and their connections to revive their own career.

We don't know what she wants, we have her actions though and it's not like she's some mystery. Some things aren't hard to understand without projection, for example she clearly still cares about performing and enjoys it a lot and i didn't have to rely on words that idols say to please fans to get that. All i need is to see how happy she looks on stage. Yesterday's live showed that it's her decision not post on Instagram, the fact that she has control of her bubble and she's not that active all show that she does have some agency in this. Her scandal was linked to the fashion world and that was a huge part of her brand, so the absence of opportunities in understandable. No one wants to be the first to work with someone who was painted as the devil and wronged a senior and a part of that world.

She also seems happy, she might have hated LSM but she doesn't really seem to despise the company contrary to what some people want to believe. She is a fan of other SM acts and she goes to the concerts and she really doesn't look like she's held hostage. I don't understand what some people use to project their narrative, because it's certainly not things that come straight from Irene.

This! It was clear yesterday that Irene is happy. It has been a while since we saw her like that and what matters the most is that she is happy. Irene is now a senior in SM, contrary to what others believe, she has agency and can make her own decisions. She even voiced out that she wants to change the lighstick. Fans just think about themselves and what makes them happy, it’s not really about Irene.

Irene has always been happy since birthday. She wanted to change the lightstick brightness and did SM listen? No.

Girl, the live was yesterday. SM can't do magic.

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da
SM has always been incompetent, Irene isn't some special case. Fans of those dudes like the one from ncti can easily claim that SM has a conspiracy against their fave and that he was simply a greedy manwhore which isn't exactly a crime, see? Anyone can start some conspiracy. There's nothing special in Irene's case beyond SM being shitty.

da, I agree. The fact that Irene apologized three times showed that she knew she fucked up and I admire that she took the initiative to own up to her action, not like the nct dude. SM is shit, we all know that but if Irene was in another company, they might just dropped her. Ang tbh, the lack of social media presence from Irene is affecting her overall career. Producers, magazine, or brands usually reach out to companies first or coordinate with a third party agency to help them find their next model/ambassadors. But if Irene knows that and it is still her choice to not post anything on insta, then I respect that. It is her choice.

Fans tend to project what they want because to be honest they just want to see more of her and that’s it. The question is, do we really know what Irene wants?

Anyone who has been a fan of more than one SM idol knows that the company is incompetent af, they weren't going to work to revive her career. When these things happen it's up to the idol to use the fact that SM keeps them in the group and their connections to revive their own career.

We don't know what she wants, we have her actions though and it's not like she's some mystery. Some things aren't hard to understand without projection, for example she clearly still cares about performing and enjoys it a lot and i didn't have to rely on words that idols say to please fans to get that. All i need is to see how happy she looks on stage. Yesterday's live showed that it's her decision not post on Instagram, the fact that she has control of her bubble and she's not that active all show that she does have some agency in this. Her scandal was linked to the fashion world and that was a huge part of her brand, so the absence of opportunities in understandable. No one wants to be the first to work with someone who was painted as the devil and wronged a senior and a part of that world.

She also seems happy, she might have hated LSM but she doesn't really seem to despise the company contrary to what some people want to believe. She is a fan of other SM acts and she goes to the concerts and she really doesn't look like she's held hostage. I don't understand what some people use to project their narrative, because it's certainly not things that come straight from Irene.

This! It was clear yesterday that Irene is happy. It has been a while since we saw her like that and what matters the most is that she is happy. Irene is now a senior in SM, contrary to what others believe, she has agency and can make her own decisions. She even voiced out that she wants to change the lighstick. Fans just think about themselves and what makes them happy, it’s not really about Irene.

Irene has always been happy since birthday. She wanted to change the lightstick brightness and did SM listen? No.

DA
SM doesn't listen to anyone, idols who are her seniors have complained repeatedly about things in public and SM doesn't care (K3y, Taeyeon..) It still doesn't mean that the company has an agenda against Irene or that Irene is held hostage.

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da, I agree. The fact that Irene apologized three times showed that she knew she fucked up and I admire that she took the initiative to own up to her action, not like the nct dude. SM is shit, we all know that but if Irene was in another company, they might just dropped her. Ang tbh, the lack of social media presence from Irene is affecting her overall career. Producers, magazine, or brands usually reach out to companies first or coordinate with a third party agency to help them find their next model/ambassadors. But if Irene knows that and it is still her choice to not post anything on insta, then I respect that. It is her choice.

Fans tend to project what they want because to be honest they just want to see more of her and that’s it. The question is, do we really know what Irene wants?

Anyone who has been a fan of more than one SM idol knows that the company is incompetent af, they weren't going to work to revive her career. When these things happen it's up to the idol to use the fact that SM keeps them in the group and their connections to revive their own career.

We don't know what she wants, we have her actions though and it's not like she's some mystery. Some things aren't hard to understand without projection, for example she clearly still cares about performing and enjoys it a lot and i didn't have to rely on words that idols say to please fans to get that. All i need is to see how happy she looks on stage. Yesterday's live showed that it's her decision not post on Instagram, the fact that she has control of her bubble and she's not that active all show that she does have some agency in this. Her scandal was linked to the fashion world and that was a huge part of her brand, so the absence of opportunities in understandable. No one wants to be the first to work with someone who was painted as the devil and wronged a senior and a part of that world.

She also seems happy, she might have hated LSM but she doesn't really seem to despise the company contrary to what some people want to believe. She is a fan of other SM acts and she goes to the concerts and she really doesn't look like she's held hostage. I don't understand what some people use to project their narrative, because it's certainly not things that come straight from Irene.

This! It was clear yesterday that Irene is happy. It has been a while since we saw her like that and what matters the most is that she is happy. Irene is now a senior in SM, contrary to what others believe, she has agency and can make her own decisions. She even voiced out that she wants to change the lighstick. Fans just think about themselves and what makes them happy, it’s not really about Irene.

Irene has always been happy since birthday. She wanted to change the lightstick brightness and did SM listen? No.

DA
SM doesn't listen to anyone, idols who are her seniors have complained repeatedly about things in public and SM doesn't care (K3y, Taeyeon..) It still doesn't mean that the company has an agenda against Irene or that Irene is held hostage.

Only time will tell tbh.

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da, I agree. The fact that Irene apologized three times showed that she knew she fucked up and I admire that she took the initiative to own up to her action, not like the nct dude. SM is shit, we all know that but if Irene was in another company, they might just dropped her. Ang tbh, the lack of social media presence from Irene is affecting her overall career. Producers, magazine, or brands usually reach out to companies first or coordinate with a third party agency to help them find their next model/ambassadors. But if Irene knows that and it is still her choice to not post anything on insta, then I respect that. It is her choice.

Fans tend to project what they want because to be honest they just want to see more of her and that’s it. The question is, do we really know what Irene wants?

Anyone who has been a fan of more than one SM idol knows that the company is incompetent af, they weren't going to work to revive her career. When these things happen it's up to the idol to use the fact that SM keeps them in the group and their connections to revive their own career.

We don't know what she wants, we have her actions though and it's not like she's some mystery. Some things aren't hard to understand without projection, for example she clearly still cares about performing and enjoys it a lot and i didn't have to rely on words that idols say to please fans to get that. All i need is to see how happy she looks on stage. Yesterday's live showed that it's her decision not post on Instagram, the fact that she has control of her bubble and she's not that active all show that she does have some agency in this. Her scandal was linked to the fashion world and that was a huge part of her brand, so the absence of opportunities in understandable. No one wants to be the first to work with someone who was painted as the devil and wronged a senior and a part of that world.

She also seems happy, she might have hated LSM but she doesn't really seem to despise the company contrary to what some people want to believe. She is a fan of other SM acts and she goes to the concerts and she really doesn't look like she's held hostage. I don't understand what some people use to project their narrative, because it's certainly not things that come straight from Irene.

This! It was clear yesterday that Irene is happy. It has been a while since we saw her like that and what matters the most is that she is happy. Irene is now a senior in SM, contrary to what others believe, she has agency and can make her own decisions. She even voiced out that she wants to change the lighstick. Fans just think about themselves and what makes them happy, it’s not really about Irene.

Irene has always been happy since birthday. She wanted to change the lightstick brightness and did SM listen? No.

DA
SM doesn't listen to anyone, idols who are her seniors have complained repeatedly about things in public and SM doesn't care (K3y, Taeyeon..) It still doesn't mean that the company has an agenda against Irene or that Irene is held hostage.

Da as much as we all have a collective hatred towards SM, based on W&H, Irene seems to be comfortable with the A&R team, staff, and stylists of SM. If she moves to another company, she has to work with a new set of people who she is not familiar with. And honestly, I fear that someone might take advantage of that situation and bring her down again.

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Anyone who has been a fan of more than one SM idol knows that the company is incompetent af, they weren't going to work to revive her career. When these things happen it's up to the idol to use the fact that SM keeps them in the group and their connections to revive their own career.

We don't know what she wants, we have her actions though and it's not like she's some mystery. Some things aren't hard to understand without projection, for example she clearly still cares about performing and enjoys it a lot and i didn't have to rely on words that idols say to please fans to get that. All i need is to see how happy she looks on stage. Yesterday's live showed that it's her decision not post on Instagram, the fact that she has control of her bubble and she's not that active all show that she does have some agency in this. Her scandal was linked to the fashion world and that was a huge part of her brand, so the absence of opportunities in understandable. No one wants to be the first to work with someone who was painted as the devil and wronged a senior and a part of that world.

She also seems happy, she might have hated LSM but she doesn't really seem to despise the company contrary to what some people want to believe. She is a fan of other SM acts and she goes to the concerts and she really doesn't look like she's held hostage. I don't understand what some people use to project their narrative, because it's certainly not things that come straight from Irene.

This! It was clear yesterday that Irene is happy. It has been a while since we saw her like that and what matters the most is that she is happy. Irene is now a senior in SM, contrary to what others believe, she has agency and can make her own decisions. She even voiced out that she wants to change the lighstick. Fans just think about themselves and what makes them happy, it’s not really about Irene.

Irene has always been happy since birthday. She wanted to change the lightstick brightness and did SM listen? No.

DA
SM doesn't listen to anyone, idols who are her seniors have complained repeatedly about things in public and SM doesn't care (K3y, Taeyeon..) It still doesn't mean that the company has an agenda against Irene or that Irene is held hostage.

Da as much as we all have a collective hatred towards SM, based on W&H, Irene seems to be comfortable with the A&R team, staff, and stylists of SM. If she moves to another company, she has to work with a new set of people who she is not familiar with. And honestly, I fear that someone might take advantage of that situation and bring her down again.

It won't be a problem as long as a company can protect her unlike sm who can't even do shit for that ai controversy.

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This! It was clear yesterday that Irene is happy. It has been a while since we saw her like that and what matters the most is that she is happy. Irene is now a senior in SM, contrary to what others believe, she has agency and can make her own decisions. She even voiced out that she wants to change the lighstick. Fans just think about themselves and what makes them happy, it’s not really about Irene.

Irene has always been happy since birthday. She wanted to change the lightstick brightness and did SM listen? No.

DA
SM doesn't listen to anyone, idols who are her seniors have complained repeatedly about things in public and SM doesn't care (K3y, Taeyeon..) It still doesn't mean that the company has an agenda against Irene or that Irene is held hostage.

Da as much as we all have a collective hatred towards SM, based on W&H, Irene seems to be comfortable with the A&R team, staff, and stylists of SM. If she moves to another company, she has to work with a new set of people who she is not familiar with. And honestly, I fear that someone might take advantage of that situation and bring her down again.

It won't be a problem as long as a company can protect her unlike sm who can't even do shit for that ai controversy.

da What company in that industry protects their idols? You're delusional to think any Kpop agency gives a shit about their idols or that there is some perfect company that will be at her beck and call and provide her with a team and invest everything in reviving her career. And concerning the ai controversy, they might have gotten SM's consent or hers and they couldn't comment because they didn't need to bring more attention to her name in a controversy. She might not have been bothered by it as well, you don't know anything at the end of the day.

[Guest]

Irene has always been happy since birthday. She wanted to change the lightstick brightness and did SM listen? No.

DA
SM doesn't listen to anyone, idols who are her seniors have complained repeatedly about things in public and SM doesn't care (K3y, Taeyeon..) It still doesn't mean that the company has an agenda against Irene or that Irene is held hostage.

Da as much as we all have a collective hatred towards SM, based on W&H, Irene seems to be comfortable with the A&R team, staff, and stylists of SM. If she moves to another company, she has to work with a new set of people who she is not familiar with. And honestly, I fear that someone might take advantage of that situation and bring her down again.

It won't be a problem as long as a company can protect her unlike sm who can't even do shit for that ai controversy.

da What company in that industry protects their idols? You're delusional to think any Kpop agency gives a shit about their idols or that there is some perfect company that will be at her beck and call and provide her with a team and invest everything in reviving her career. And concerning the ai controversy, they might have gotten SM's consent or hers and they couldn't comment because they didn't need to bring more attention to her name in a controversy. She might not have been bothered by it as well, you don't know anything at the end of the day.

Exactly but you guys only accept this theory that it's all Irene's choice and no company is gonna bother to revive when there's no need to revive an already revived one. You just want her to never leave the group be real.

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Irene has always been happy since birthday. She wanted to change the lightstick brightness and did SM listen? No.

DA
SM doesn't listen to anyone, idols who are her seniors have complained repeatedly about things in public and SM doesn't care (K3y, Taeyeon..) It still doesn't mean that the company has an agenda against Irene or that Irene is held hostage.

Da as much as we all have a collective hatred towards SM, based on W&H, Irene seems to be comfortable with the A&R team, staff, and stylists of SM. If she moves to another company, she has to work with a new set of people who she is not familiar with. And honestly, I fear that someone might take advantage of that situation and bring her down again.

It won't be a problem as long as a company can protect her unlike sm who can't even do shit for that ai controversy.

da What company in that industry protects their idols? You're delusional to think any Kpop agency gives a shit about their idols or that there is some perfect company that will be at her beck and call and provide her with a team and invest everything in reviving her career. And concerning the ai controversy, they might have gotten SM's consent or hers and they couldn't comment because they didn't need to bring more attention to her name in a controversy. She might not have been bothered by it as well, you don't know anything at the end of the day.

Or SM just couldn’t do anything about it. It’s them vs a government agency. They also have this excuse that they got the features of the AI from different women, not just one. But we really don’t know anything, we can only speculate.

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DA
SM doesn't listen to anyone, idols who are her seniors have complained repeatedly about things in public and SM doesn't care (K3y, Taeyeon..) It still doesn't mean that the company has an agenda against Irene or that Irene is held hostage.

Da as much as we all have a collective hatred towards SM, based on W&H, Irene seems to be comfortable with the A&R team, staff, and stylists of SM. If she moves to another company, she has to work with a new set of people who she is not familiar with. And honestly, I fear that someone might take advantage of that situation and bring her down again.

It won't be a problem as long as a company can protect her unlike sm who can't even do shit for that ai controversy.

da What company in that industry protects their idols? You're delusional to think any Kpop agency gives a shit about their idols or that there is some perfect company that will be at her beck and call and provide her with a team and invest everything in reviving her career. And concerning the ai controversy, they might have gotten SM's consent or hers and they couldn't comment because they didn't need to bring more attention to her name in a controversy. She might not have been bothered by it as well, you don't know anything at the end of the day.

Exactly but you guys only accept this theory that it's all Irene's choice and no company is gonna bother to revive when there's no need to revive an already revived one. You just want her to never leave the group be real.

More like unlike you idgaf as long as it's her choice, this is something that you people can't accept. The group isn't doing shit, they haven't for a while now so i have no reason to be attached to it. I'm open to all option, while you're not. You just want to paint everything that happened with Irene as some conspiracy and want to believe that she is miserable and is being held hostage as we speak. Unlike you, i also live in the real world and know that there is no magical Kpop agency out there that will ever satisfy you, because guess what? They are all vile in their own way.

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DA
SM doesn't listen to anyone, idols who are her seniors have complained repeatedly about things in public and SM doesn't care (K3y, Taeyeon..) It still doesn't mean that the company has an agenda against Irene or that Irene is held hostage.

Da as much as we all have a collective hatred towards SM, based on W&H, Irene seems to be comfortable with the A&R team, staff, and stylists of SM. If she moves to another company, she has to work with a new set of people who she is not familiar with. And honestly, I fear that someone might take advantage of that situation and bring her down again.

It won't be a problem as long as a company can protect her unlike sm who can't even do shit for that ai controversy.

da What company in that industry protects their idols? You're delusional to think any Kpop agency gives a shit about their idols or that there is some perfect company that will be at her beck and call and provide her with a team and invest everything in reviving her career. And concerning the ai controversy, they might have gotten SM's consent or hers and they couldn't comment because they didn't need to bring more attention to her name in a controversy. She might not have been bothered by it as well, you don't know anything at the end of the day.

Or SM just couldn’t do anything about it. It’s them vs a government agency. They also have this excuse that they got the features of the AI from different women, not just one. But we really don’t know anything, we can only speculate.

in the national audit 4 days ago the VP of the KTO was questioned on whether the 2 people in the picture were the same person & he couldn’t answer. but lee byounghun of the democratic party said that the bigger issue was them buying followers and only reprimanded him for that

(the follower thing isn’t in the video but i found it in an article: http://segye.com/newsView/20221020507785?OutUrl=naver)

all they said about the AI was that it “encourages unrealistic appearances”

+ the VP also said they didn’t hire any models or sign a portrait rights contract

but that was it :/

10:28 PM · Oct 24, 2022

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Da as much as we all have a collective hatred towards SM, based on W&H, Irene seems to be comfortable with the A&R team, staff, and stylists of SM. If she moves to another company, she has to work with a new set of people who she is not familiar with. And honestly, I fear that someone might take advantage of that situation and bring her down again.

It won't be a problem as long as a company can protect her unlike sm who can't even do shit for that ai controversy.

da What company in that industry protects their idols? You're delusional to think any Kpop agency gives a shit about their idols or that there is some perfect company that will be at her beck and call and provide her with a team and invest everything in reviving her career. And concerning the ai controversy, they might have gotten SM's consent or hers and they couldn't comment because they didn't need to bring more attention to her name in a controversy. She might not have been bothered by it as well, you don't know anything at the end of the day.

Or SM just couldn’t do anything about it. It’s them vs a government agency. They also have this excuse that they got the features of the AI from different women, not just one. But we really don’t know anything, we can only speculate.

in the national audit 4 days ago the VP of the KTO was questioned on whether the 2 people in the picture were the same person & he couldn’t answer. but lee byounghun of the democratic party said that the bigger issue was them buying followers and only reprimanded him for that

(the follower thing isn’t in the video but i found it in an article: http://segye.com/newsView/20221020507785?OutUrl=naver)

all they said about the AI was that it “encourages unrealistic appearances”

+ the VP also said they didn’t hire any models or sign a portrait rights contract

but that was it :/

10:28 PM · Oct 24, 2022

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You can believe whatever you want but at the end of the day, we don’t really know anything. All I care is that Irene is happy. I would like to see her a strong woman rather than a victim.

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Da as much as we all have a collective hatred towards SM, based on W&H, Irene seems to be comfortable with the A&R team, staff, and stylists of SM. If she moves to another company, she has to work with a new set of people who she is not familiar with. And honestly, I fear that someone might take advantage of that situation and bring her down again.

It won't be a problem as long as a company can protect her unlike sm who can't even do shit for that ai controversy.

da What company in that industry protects their idols? You're delusional to think any Kpop agency gives a shit about their idols or that there is some perfect company that will be at her beck and call and provide her with a team and invest everything in reviving her career. And concerning the ai controversy, they might have gotten SM's consent or hers and they couldn't comment because they didn't need to bring more attention to her name in a controversy. She might not have been bothered by it as well, you don't know anything at the end of the day.

Or SM just couldn’t do anything about it. It’s them vs a government agency. They also have this excuse that they got the features of the AI from different women, not just one. But we really don’t know anything, we can only speculate.

in the national audit 4 days ago the VP of the KTO was questioned on whether the 2 people in the picture were the same person & he couldn’t answer. but lee byounghun of the democratic party said that the bigger issue was them buying followers and only reprimanded him for that

(the follower thing isn’t in the video but i found it in an article: http://segye.com/newsView/20221020507785?OutUrl=naver)

all they said about the AI was that it “encourages unrealistic appearances”

+ the VP also said they didn’t hire any models or sign a portrait rights contract

but that was it :/

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da You think Irene will sue the government? Neither she or SM would dare, what the fuck? It's career suicide. She's not crazy and it has nothing to do with SM, because no company would do it. Your post about the VP literally suggests that SM has nothing to do with it, so why are you blaming them?

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Re AI contorversy - with recent development of that stuff I see so many articles commenting on how countries and gov. are not ready for what is coming. No one has a law that protects people from it. It blew my mind how dangerous those fake photos, videos of any kind etc, are and everyone is so behind. In my country they already speculate that it will be dominat force that will "help" create chaos during elections. That's how fast this is spreading & everyone who is online has fairly access to those tools.
The damage that some regular folks can do for shits and giggles...

Like how did we get there? We knew we will get there and no one is prepared??

This is not Irene-topic specifically, sorry, just in general off topic.

Anywa, that shit scares me, my ladies. Fuck this...

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It's amazing to me that in what is supposed to be her thread, no one mentioned her happiness yesterday or how chill she seems. Instead you decided to pick at things that might not even exist. It's like nothing else matters anymore but your narrative, and everything from her actions to her feelings are ignored when they don't fit with said narrative.

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It won't be a problem as long as a company can protect her unlike sm who can't even do shit for that ai controversy.

da What company in that industry protects their idols? You're delusional to think any Kpop agency gives a shit about their idols or that there is some perfect company that will be at her beck and call and provide her with a team and invest everything in reviving her career. And concerning the ai controversy, they might have gotten SM's consent or hers and they couldn't comment because they didn't need to bring more attention to her name in a controversy. She might not have been bothered by it as well, you don't know anything at the end of the day.

Or SM just couldn’t do anything about it. It’s them vs a government agency. They also have this excuse that they got the features of the AI from different women, not just one. But we really don’t know anything, we can only speculate.

in the national audit 4 days ago the VP of the KTO was questioned on whether the 2 people in the picture were the same person & he couldn’t answer. but lee byounghun of the democratic party said that the bigger issue was them buying followers and only reprimanded him for that

(the follower thing isn’t in the video but i found it in an article: http://segye.com/newsView/20221020507785?OutUrl=naver)

all they said about the AI was that it “encourages unrealistic appearances”

+ the VP also said they didn’t hire any models or sign a portrait rights contract

but that was it :/

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da You think Irene will sue the government? Neither she or SM would dare, what the fuck? It's career suicide. She's not crazy and it has nothing to do with SM, because no company would do it. Your post about the VP literally suggests that SM has nothing to do with it, so why are you blaming them?

Wouldn't be surprised if Irene's Work & Holiday was probably made for this AI to model because some of it are errily familiar from Work & Holiday.

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Re AI contorversy - with recent development of that stuff I see so many articles commenting on how countries and gov. are not ready for what is coming. No one has a law that protects people from it. It blew my mind how dangerous those fake photos, videos of any kind etc, are and everyone is so behind. In my country they already speculate that it will be dominat force that will "help" create chaos during elections. That's how fast this is spreading & everyone who is online has fairly access to those tools.
The damage that some regular folks can do for shits and giggles...

Like how did we get there? We knew we will get there and no one is prepared??

This is not Irene-topic specifically, sorry, just in general off topic.

Anywa, that shit scares me, my ladies. Fuck this...

They are calling it meta dna

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According to "Lizzies" recent Instagram posts, it looks like they don't use Irene for reference pictures anymore

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What in the world did I come back to. Firstly her IG, where is this whole “conspiracy” coming from? Annons on this board have discussed her IG so many times yet annons from the other board keep bringing it up like like clockwork. Annons on this thread said just the other day that they don’t care if Irene was more active on IG and they were content with her bubble messages. It’s a fact that SM uses her IG like they did during fmr whether or not SM has a hand in her being active on there no one knows and I’ve never assumed sm was stopping her from using it to begin with. There will always be annons that have differing opinions and no one annon is more correct then the other because we are all speculating here. Her saying “sorry” on the live doesn’t mean anything? She’s not exactly going to say “sorry the company wont let me”. Again, I’m not even on the camp of sm doesn’t let her use it at all I think it’s her choice but using her “sorry” as a definitive answer to the annons who believe this conspiracy is not it. I haven’t seen annons on this thread use this conspiracy and if they have it’s not a popular one. A majority of annons on this thread have said time and again that Irene was never that active on IG to begin with. She would primarily post about her schedules which are non-existent now.

Re the live only one annon said Irene didn’t speak much and they missed how she was during another live how did that turn into negativity and another conspiracy? It’s a fact that Irene doesn’t get to say much during group lives you can’t deny that. Annons have been saying for the longest on this thread that she’s been much happier since birthday so again what is the point? That one annon has a right to express how they felt about the live not everything is a “conspiracy”.

This all comes down to whether or not Irene will leave SM and no one knows that. Irene is happy because she gets to perform and see her fans and work. Her happiness to perform and see her fans has nothing to do with whether or not she’s happy at the company. She’s been wanting to see her fans for the longest and loves performing period. Annons on this board always give their opinion but then go on to say that whatever she decides they will respect her decision. At the end of it all SM is the worst company it can’t get any worse for Irene there. They have their favourites and Irene isn’t one of them. Many including myself hopes she leaves and gets to work like other artists who have left SM before her but it’s her choice. What we do know is that Irene has said a number of times that she wants more which sm isn’t giving her. SM knows how valuable she is yet hasn’t shown any indications or put in any effort (which is a crucial time to do so) to try and get her to stay. Many forget that contract renewals are coming up which means negotiating terms if an artist decides to stay or leave. I personally would rather she leaves and negotiates terms with a different company because SM can’t be trusted but again it’s up to her and all Baetokkis will respect whatever decision she makes.

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LoESBIANS ITS HAPPENING! BIRTHDAY PARTY

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LoESBIANS ITS HAPPENING! BIRTHDAY PARTY

I really hope it’s hers and not another persons birthday announcement. The price seems right. I’m so tired of being a clown and trusting SM so I can’t get my hopes up but pleaaassseee be hers.

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LoESBIANS ITS HAPPENING! BIRTHDAY PARTY

What part of this says it's for her?

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LoESBIANS ITS HAPPENING! BIRTHDAY PARTY

What part of this says it's for her?

None. I wouldn't keep hope tbf

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LoESBIANS ITS HAPPENING! BIRTHDAY PARTY

What part of this says it's for her?

None. I wouldn't keep hope tbf

Amazing how that big account tweeted it, people believed it, accepted it as fact and completely stopped asking about it.

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Although she may not have a party, the world is celebrating her! Happy Birthday BJH!

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Irene birthday partyyy wooooo!! to celebrate with her fans who she has wanted to meet with for the longest. I’m so happy for her and I envy the fans that get to go. I wish it was me! Happiest birthday to our Irene!!!

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WE WON THE WAR
HAPPY BIRTHDAY IRENE FOR REAL

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We're all a bunch of happy clowns

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WE WON THE WAR
HAPPY BIRTHDAY IRENE FOR REAL

In a bigger venue too. As the queen deserves. Hoping we get some Irene baby videos or photos even without that I’m just happy to see her just by herself.

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We're all a bunch of happy clowns

Putting my clown face back on

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Surprisingly I enjoyed this very much lol. I like irene but I'm more of a singer/performer irene fan ... I rarely rewatched vlog. But I like this a lot and it didn't feel like 16 minutes at all. What song do you think she will sing ? The only one in my mind is sejeong's song "flower road". But I barely knew any korean songs so probably not that.

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We're all a bunch of happy clowns

Putting my clown face back on

da. I also choose to believe it

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What part of this says it's for her?

None. I wouldn't keep hope tbf

Amazing how that big account tweeted it, people believed it, accepted it as fact and completely stopped asking about it.

it's already late to reply, but, plenty of times SM (I'm not sure about other companies) use the initial of the artists for that. Like E Test - for exo, R Test - for rv, K test - for key, etc. These are just some of the previous cases that I witness. I know that irene started with "I" but in korean her name started with "A"-irin. So with the letter and the price I guess that's why that acc think it's for irene.

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When someone asks if you studied and you're like 'Nope, just a tiny bit...

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Surprisingly I enjoyed this very much lol. I like irene but I'm more of a singer/performer irene fan ... I rarely rewatched vlog. But I like this a lot and it didn't feel like 16 minutes at all. What song do you think she will sing ? The only one in my mind is sejeong's song "flower road". But I barely knew any korean songs so probably not that.

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I loved it. She’s the cutest her love for her fans is everything. The fact that she thought about the song to sing to her fans and linked that to her bday content is so thoughtful. Also her making the lucky fans gifts instead of easily buying them is even sweeter. This is one of the many reasons why she will always be my favourite. She’s so thoughtful and kind. I can’t wait for her birthday party. Also I am really curious as to what song she will sing. It will be a sweet song I think since she’s singing it to her fans.

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Irene making her fans gifts, going to one of her bday events again this year even though she is so busy and didn’t even have time to celebrate herself, gifting the staff vitamins (as always) on her birthday I’m in this baetokki thing for life. I can’t wait to hear her song and see what else she’s prepared. She’s the best

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Irene’s fan events every birthday are always so amazing. This year it’s even crazier I’m glad she knows about most. I hope she sees her tiny self inflatable and the bus I know she would laugh when she sees it. I think she knows about a lot of the LED billboards (hence her answer of her lucky place being where her picture is) and I hope she also knows about the events overseas too. I was so busy yesterday that I’m still trying to catch up with the Irene content we had yesterday. What a good day to be a baetokki.

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Irene’s fan events every birthday are always so amazing. This year it’s even crazier I’m glad she knows about most. I hope she sees her tiny self inflatable and the bus I know she would laugh when she sees it. I think she knows about a lot of the LED billboards (hence her answer of her lucky place being where her picture is) and I hope she also knows about the events overseas too. I was so busy yesterday that I’m still trying to catch up with the Irene content we had yesterday. What a good day to be a baetokki.

Hyunyi Just posted the bus on ig she’s definitely shown Irene!! Hyunyi talking about how pretty it is! so cute.

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I think what other anons are trying to say is that if her plan is to leave SM, she has to do something as early as now. Build networks, try to post what she can really do, be interactive with fans to solidify her relationship to them. If she remains "passive" this year, it would be hard for her to find companies that will invest to her given the projects she only had. And if the rumors are true that aespa has an expiring contract, will the misogynistic kpop industry prioritize calling these 30 y/o women? I think not.

This is a super late reply but I agree completely. Irene needs to take initiative (granted, we don't know what she's doing bts but these days, outward appearances are extremely important). I will support her in whatever she does (unless it's racist, homophobic, or illegal {this one is debatable }) bc that's my fate as a baetokki but she needs to buck up and start doing more.
Go back to posting dance videos renebaebae
Audition clips
Singing videos
Smart skills
Anything atp

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There'll be solo and unit performances for rv concert in seoul tomorrow. I hope irene will get the solo perf

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Knowing the situation about rv's concert seats/capacity. I can only hope there's at least some irene fansites get in to concerts overseas .. I need as many irene fancams as possible

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Group endorsement.... I thought it's one of april fools joke, but it's real. Can't believe I feel nothing for this, lol. Well, Irene is pretty

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irene azarine

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