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Da there's a picture of the outfit in question here along with MBC's official response in a screenshot
https://www.soompi.com/article/1415053w ... moos-hwasa
Here's a tweet showing the original subs by the TV show called it a "sauna look" even before the statement MBC issued:
And from that same twitter thread here are pictures of other Koreans with sauna headwraps:
Anyway, you can form whatever opinion you want of course. But this thread is not for bashing any of the MMM girls.
Hey thanks for the replies and tweets. I was really curious because of the styling and the prints on the clothing, since sauna wear usually tends to be super plain and one color.
Common r------- h akgae defending her more than they respect black people. Just search nigerian auntie and korean sauna and see which one looks more like Hwasa
Um I'm a Nigerian woman, my first and last name (if you knew me) would tell you. However, I didn't say I agreed with what the poster put, I just thanked them for the replies and reiterated why I was asking about the clothing. I know what traditional Nigerian/African (due to a lot of African countries clothing sharing similarities) look like. I also know what spa/sauna clothing look like based on my current S.Korea trip. What I won't do is fight on an anonymous board, for what? We're not going to agree anyways.
Sa I'm the anon who posted the tweets. I don't entirely know what I think of them myself. It's obviously not standard sauna clothing, they called it a "high-end sauna look with more care than usual" on screen and compared it to Hwasa in a more usual plain sauna outfit right before. They were clearly going for something striking and over the top especially if you look at the other women's outfits on the show too. I do think there's room to wonder if it was a direct reference to something African or if there were other influences too. Yuna the musician from Malaysia is known to wear ornate headwraps that she sometimes coordinates with vibrant outfits, there are some Filipina traditional costumes where women wear bright patterned headwraps too, just to name a couple examples I could think of off the top of my head. And yeah, like your original post suggested, there's a separate question after that over whether it was intended to make fun or somehow be a homage or something. Either way God knows Korean culture in general like a lot of cultures around the world has plenty of not so hidden racism, toward Southeast Asians in addition to Black people to be honest, and even if no one involved in picking that outfit actively intended harm the end result still could be insensitive.
For me personally since MBC called it a sauna inspired outfit on screen from the get go, before anyone called them out on it, and because as far as I can tell Hwasa didn't walk out saying something like "look how African I look", I would tend to give the benefit of the doubt that she wasn't trying to make African clothing the butt of a joke or otherwise be disrespectful. But you're of course welcome to decide for yourself how you feel about it and I'll leave the topic here. I do appreciate getting to share thoughts without name calling.
High end sauna look doesn't exist, and rich asian people tend to find these patterns tacky. Most rich asians especially koreans are super racist, if you think your normal korean is racist you're not prepared for rich koreans. Rich people had black people as slaves for a reason. That's why old money fashion doesn't scream in your face.
Homage or comedic effect. So it's blackfishing or racist cultural appropriation, none is a good look. She never apologized for it on her own and had MBC defend her name with a made up excuse. She doesn't need to say she looks african, everyone can see it, people pointed it looked weird and unnatural. Most nigerians that were not biased moomoos felt it was racist. Same as her durag. Same as her n word. All the thing she never apologized for. Let black people be mad at her for playing with our culture this way
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Da there's a picture of the outfit in question here along with MBC's official response in a screenshot [url]https://www.soompi.com/article/1415053wpp/mbcs-home-alone-issues-statement-regarding-outfit-worn-by-mamamoos-hwasa[/url]
[spoiler=Tweets]Here's a tweet showing the original subs by the TV show called it a "sauna look" even before the statement MBC issued:
https://twitter.com/queens_mmm/status/1287774271880736768#m
And from that same twitter thread here are pictures of other Koreans with sauna headwraps:
https://twitter.com/queens_mmm/status/1287774746898300928#m[/spoiler]
Anyway, you can form whatever opinion you want of course. But this thread is not for bashing any of the MMM girls.
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Hey thanks for the replies and tweets. I was really curious because of the styling and the prints on the clothing, since sauna wear usually tends to be super plain and one color.
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Common r------- h akgae defending her more than they respect black people. Just search nigerian auntie and korean sauna and see which one looks more like Hwasa :rofl:
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Um I'm a Nigerian woman, my first and last name (if you knew me) would tell you. However, I didn't say I agreed with what the poster put, I just thanked them for the replies and reiterated why I was asking about the clothing. I know what traditional Nigerian/African (due to a lot of African countries clothing sharing similarities) look like. I also know what spa/sauna clothing look like based on my current S.Korea trip. What I won't do is fight on an anonymous board, for what? We're not going to agree anyways.
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Sa I'm the anon who posted the tweets. I don't entirely know what I think of them myself. It's obviously not standard sauna clothing, they called it a "high-end sauna look with more care than usual" on screen and compared it to Hwasa in a more usual plain sauna outfit right before. They were clearly going for something striking and over the top especially if you look at the other women's outfits on the show too. I do think there's room to wonder if it was a direct reference to something African or if there were other influences too. Yuna the musician from Malaysia is known to wear ornate headwraps that she sometimes coordinates with vibrant outfits, there are some Filipina traditional costumes where women wear bright patterned headwraps too, just to name a couple examples I could think of off the top of my head. And yeah, like your original post suggested, there's a separate question after that over whether it was intended to make fun or somehow be a homage or something. Either way God knows Korean culture in general like a lot of cultures around the world has plenty of not so hidden racism, toward Southeast Asians in addition to Black people to be honest, and even if no one involved in picking that outfit actively intended harm the end result still could be insensitive.
For me personally since MBC called it a sauna inspired outfit on screen from the get go, before anyone called them out on it, and because as far as I can tell Hwasa didn't walk out saying something like "look how African I look", I would tend to give the benefit of the doubt that she wasn't trying to make African clothing the butt of a joke or otherwise be disrespectful. But you're of course welcome to decide for yourself how you feel about it and I'll leave the topic here. I do appreciate getting to share thoughts without name calling.
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High end sauna look doesn't exist, and rich asian people tend to find these patterns tacky. Most rich asians especially koreans are super racist, if you think your normal korean is racist you're not prepared for rich koreans. Rich people had black people as slaves for a reason. That's why old money fashion doesn't scream in your face.
Homage or comedic effect. So it's blackfishing or racist cultural appropriation, none is a good look. She never apologized for it on her own and had MBC defend her name with a made up excuse. She doesn't need to say she looks african, everyone can see it, people pointed it looked weird and unnatural. Most nigerians that were not biased moomoos felt it was racist. Same as her durag. Same as her n word. All the thing she never apologized for. Let black people be mad at her for playing with our culture this way