Korean Entertainment - Part II

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You're all acting as though ILLIT has the potential to dethrone NJ, or that they're the first to attempt to replicate their formula. Everyone and their mother has been trying to know what makes NJ so fresh and unique, and someone has yet to succeed at replicating their aesthetic/concept perfectly. ILLIT has average songs and overproduced MVs. They might give NJ's vibes to the inattentive viewer, but it just takes a little bit of attention to notice they have no substance nor depth. Their debut is boring; pretty but thoughtless. Give them one or two comebacks and you'll start noticing how creatively bankrupt their team is; same for LSFM.

And there are 16 yos on the Lchat? I thought it was only wine ladies and trolls.
I said as a 16 year old I WOULD BE No one was mature at that age...

I never said they have the potential to dethrone NewJeans? I am just saying that the members probably think they are being copied by their own company juniors and maybe think it's unfair. Like when that girl in your class wears the same shirt as you the next day. Arrogant director combined with stage parents = not the best influence. I guess
I remember that when I was sixteen, I started wearing a special type of bun; very strict, very old-fashioned, and it looked good on me. Girls in my class started copying me as soon as the next day, and it pissed me off beyond reason. I went around telling people unprompted how imitation is the best form of flattery and blablabla... I don't know how I'd have reacted if I saw someone trying to copy my career. You're right, the NewJeans members must breathing fire now.
I think you two were just specially immature 16 year olds. The last time I acted like that was in 1st grade. When I was in high school if someone wore a similar outfit to somebody else's, they'd just shrug it off, trends exist. If they happened to be the first to do so, they just felt flattered. If you guys' parents didn't make sure to teach you that so you wouldn't embarrass yourself by pointing fingers at others like a snotty brat, it's on them.

The members are also in the industry. I highly doubt they don't know how this works. They can't be genuinely mad at these other kids for "copying" them when they know that idols don't get a say in their art direction.
da I think it's unlikely the members would be that mad but the parents? If they think it's impacting their bottom line then most likely yes.
IVE's Rei and Leeseo just the other day were on a show with TV*Q Jaej00ng where he asked Leeseo about how long she is able to work since she is a minor. She explained that there is a rule that she is not able to work past 10pm. However, so long as her parents sign a consent form, she can work however long she wants. And then she said she's never not had that consent form signed. Considering how many members of NJ debuted as minors, we know the parents are heavily involved in approving of their work schedules. And that typically these girls first paychecks also go to paying something to their parents, like in IVE's case mentioned a new car and washer/dryer set.

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I agree with you. But I don't know why you would think that some teens are going to be levelheaded and mature about this. As a 16 year old I also would be mad as hell if someone else copies me. They are probably even more angry about it than MHJ herself. Because they are literally kids.

You're all acting as though ILLIT has the potential to dethrone NJ, or that they're the first to attempt to replicate their formula. Everyone and their mother has been trying to know what makes NJ so fresh and unique, and someone has yet to succeed at replicating their aesthetic/concept perfectly. ILLIT has average songs and overproduced MVs. They might give NJ's vibes to the inattentive viewer, but it just takes a little bit of attention to notice they have no substance nor depth. Their debut is boring; pretty but thoughtless. Give them one or two comebacks and you'll start noticing how creatively bankrupt their team is; same for LSFM.

And there are 16 yos on the Lchat? I thought it was only wine ladies and trolls.
I said as a 16 year old I WOULD BE No one was mature at that age...

I never said they have the potential to dethrone NewJeans? I am just saying that the members probably think they are being copied by their own company juniors and maybe think it's unfair. Like when that girl in your class wears the same shirt as you the next day. Arrogant director combined with stage parents = not the best influence. I guess
I remember that when I was sixteen, I started wearing a special type of bun; very strict, very old-fashioned, and it looked good on me. Girls in my class started copying me as soon as the next day, and it pissed me off beyond reason. I went around telling people unprompted how imitation is the best form of flattery and blablabla... I don't know how I'd have reacted if I saw someone trying to copy my career. You're right, the NewJeans members must breathing fire now.
I think you two were just specially immature 16 year olds. The last time I acted like that was in 1st grade. When I was in high school if someone wore a similar outfit to somebody else's, they'd just shrug it off, trends exist. If they happened to be the first to do so, they just felt flattered. If you guys' parents didn't make sure to teach you that so you wouldn't embarrass yourself by pointing fingers at others like a snotty brat, it's on them.

The members are also in the industry. I highly doubt they don't know how this works. They can't be genuinely mad at these other kids for "copying" them when they know that idols don't get a say in their art direction.

da I think it's unlikely the members would be that mad but the parents? If they think it's impacting their bottom line then most likely yes.

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You just pulled that out of your ass.
MHJ seems very assertive so I'm not surprised she reacted this way. BSH has clearly had a problem with NJ since before they even debuted and a multi-label company should be preventing the companies under it from cannibalizing one another, BSH disregarded MHJ's creative vision, pushed back her group's debut, used her name to create hype for his group and then proceeded to allow the other sub-label who's debuting the other girlgroup he's working on to copy her formula after seeing how successful NJ became. MHJ and the NJ members' parents have every right to be annoyed. HYBE was also the one who leaked info about the audit to the media before the audit had even finished, right before NJ's comeback at that, they're the one's that started this.
I agree with you. But I don't know why you would think that some teens are going to be levelheaded and mature about this. As a 16 year old I also would be mad as hell if someone else copies me. They are probably even more angry about it than MHJ herself. Because they are literally kids.

You're all acting as though ILLIT has the potential to dethrone NJ, or that they're the first to attempt to replicate their formula. Everyone and their mother has been trying to know what makes NJ so fresh and unique, and someone has yet to succeed at replicating their aesthetic/concept perfectly. ILLIT has average songs and overproduced MVs. They might give NJ's vibes to the inattentive viewer, but it just takes a little bit of attention to notice they have no substance nor depth. Their debut is boring; pretty but thoughtless. Give them one or two comebacks and you'll start noticing how creatively bankrupt their team is; same for LSFM.

And there are 16 yos on the Lchat? I thought it was only wine ladies and trolls.
I said as a 16 year old I WOULD BE No one was mature at that age...

I never said they have the potential to dethrone NewJeans? I am just saying that the members probably think they are being copied by their own company juniors and maybe think it's unfair. Like when that girl in your class wears the same shirt as you the next day. Arrogant director combined with stage parents = not the best influence. I guess
I remember that when I was sixteen, I started wearing a special type of bun; very strict, very old-fashioned, and it looked good on me. Girls in my class started copying me as soon as the next day, and it pissed me off beyond reason. I went around telling people unprompted how imitation is the best form of flattery and blablabla... I don't know how I'd have reacted if I saw someone trying to copy my career. You're right, the NewJeans members must breathing fire now.

I think you two were just specially immature 16 year olds. The last time I acted like that was in 1st grade. When I was in high school if someone wore a similar outfit to somebody else's, they'd just shrug it off, trends exist. If they happened to be the first to do so, they just felt flattered. If you guys' parents didn't make sure to teach you that so you wouldn't embarrass yourself by pointing fingers at others like a snotty brat, it's on them.

The members are also in the industry. I highly doubt they don't know how this works. They can't be genuinely mad at these other kids for "copying" them when they know that idols don't get a say in their art direction.

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A lot of Kpop stans would lose their shit once they understand it's the NewJeans members themselves and their stage parents that are pressuring MHJ. She even showed the messages of the parents frustration. The mental breakdown they had over Le Sserafim being the "first HYBE group". And they were probably the ones that got mad over ILLIT. MHJ has a big ego for sure, but her behavior makes even more sense if you imagine angry stage parents yelling at her to "stop ILLIT from copying my kids!!!" or something like that.

And now if the grown up parents are already acting childish, god knows how the actual children behave. It's not their fault they were raised like this, but we really can't keep ignoring the impact of stage parents. MHJ herself might have wanted to negotiate with HYBE, but what can she do when the creators of her creation want something else.
You just pulled that out of your ass.
MHJ seems very assertive so I'm not surprised she reacted this way. BSH has clearly had a problem with NJ since before they even debuted and a multi-label company should be preventing the companies under it from cannibalizing one another, BSH disregarded MHJ's creative vision, pushed back her group's debut, used her name to create hype for his group and then proceeded to allow the other sub-label who's debuting the other girlgroup he's working on to copy her formula after seeing how successful NJ became. MHJ and the NJ members' parents have every right to be annoyed. HYBE was also the one who leaked info about the audit to the media before the audit had even finished, right before NJ's comeback at that, they're the one's that started this.
Da debuting LSF before NJ is the smarter decision. First of all NJ members are younger, they can wait. Second of all, LSF has two former Iz*one members, it’s smarter to debut them before a lot of time passes since Iz*one’s disbandment and fans forget about them.

da Those girls weren't supposed to debut in the first place. The project at Source Music was originally NewJeans. The 2019 Plus Global audition there is what got 3 of the NJ members. Minji was already there and being used to advertise the audition. Then Fatman Bang came in demanding IZONE girls be added into the group. March 2021 you can find articles about Sakura joining MHJ's girl group. MHJ obviously got mad at this meddling and demanded her own label which got trademarked and established the following month in April 2021. Despite creating her own label for NewJeans Hyb3 still had articles being published up through the start of 2022 suggesting these IZONE girls were joining MHJ's girl group.

Simply put, LSFM was put together haphazardly to be a copycat group of IVE. And it shows with how little training some of the girls had and the scrounging they had to do to find people. Yunjin was about to go to college and paid tuition fees which Hyb3 did not pay back. Kazuha had only 6 months of training after they flew over to a ballet school to grab her. From what I understand, Eunchae was likely not supposed to debut so early too.

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It's a visua group and I don't mean it in the pretty fsce, but mhj is a designer and it shows. But that won't make them last music wise.
She’s actually the one picking the songs and she has good taste. They also have a great team of in house music producers with them. they can def last music wise (unless they all go with MHJ)
DA Personally after their first album, their songs seem to go downhill. And I wonder if she’s going to give them youth image forever. If she’s not then she shouldn’t have to worry about people copying her because she could always revamp their image

da MHJ has had interviews before that touch on this. NewJeans contract is 7 years and from the way she talks it doesn't seem like she has plans for it to go farther than that. Which applies to how she's worked with SM groups too. After SNSD 7 years she only ever worked on some of the girls solo projects like Tiffany's solo despite them continuing to release group work post Jessica leaving. MHJ has an obsession with youth, though in interviews she'd just describe it as "beauty."

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It's a visua group and I don't mean it in the pretty fsce, but mhj is a designer and it shows. But that won't make them last music wise.
She’s actually the one picking the songs and she has good taste. They also have a great team of in house music producers with them. they can def last music wise (unless they all go with MHJ)

DA Personally after their first album, their songs seem to go downhill. And I wonder if she’s going to give them youth image forever. If she’s not then she shouldn’t have to worry about people copying her because she could always revamp their image

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A lot of Kpop stans would lose their shit once they understand it's the NewJeans members themselves and their stage parents that are pressuring MHJ. She even showed the messages of the parents frustration. The mental breakdown they had over Le Sserafim being the "first HYBE group". And they were probably the ones that got mad over ILLIT. MHJ has a big ego for sure, but her behavior makes even more sense if you imagine angry stage parents yelling at her to "stop ILLIT from copying my kids!!!" or something like that.

And now if the grown up parents are already acting childish, god knows how the actual children behave. It's not their fault they were raised like this, but we really can't keep ignoring the impact of stage parents. MHJ herself might have wanted to negotiate with HYBE, but what can she do when the creators of her creation want something else.
You just pulled that out of your ass.
MHJ seems very assertive so I'm not surprised she reacted this way. BSH has clearly had a problem with NJ since before they even debuted and a multi-label company should be preventing the companies under it from cannibalizing one another, BSH disregarded MHJ's creative vision, pushed back her group's debut, used her name to create hype for his group and then proceeded to allow the other sub-label who's debuting the other girlgroup he's working on to copy her formula after seeing how successful NJ became. MHJ and the NJ members' parents have every right to be annoyed. HYBE was also the one who leaked info about the audit to the media before the audit had even finished, right before NJ's comeback at that, they're the one's that started this.
I agree with you. But I don't know why you would think that some teens are going to be levelheaded and mature about this. As a 16 year old I also would be mad as hell if someone else copies me. They are probably even more angry about it than MHJ herself. Because they are literally kids.

You're all acting as though ILLIT has the potential to dethrone NJ, or that they're the first to attempt to replicate their formula. Everyone and their mother has been trying to know what makes NJ so fresh and unique, and someone has yet to succeed at replicating their aesthetic/concept perfectly. ILLIT has average songs and overproduced MVs. They might give NJ's vibes to the inattentive viewer, but it just takes a little bit of attention to notice they have no substance nor depth. Their debut is boring; pretty but thoughtless. Give them one or two comebacks and you'll start noticing how creatively bankrupt their team is; same for LSFM.

And there are 16 yos on the Lchat? I thought it was only wine ladies and trolls.

DA This explains a lot.

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It's a visua group and I don't mean it in the pretty fsce, but mhj is a designer and it shows. But that won't make them last music wise.
She’s actually the one picking the songs and she has good taste. They also have a great team of in house music producers with them. they can def last music wise (unless they all go with MHJ)

Not in this kind of culture

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It's a visua group and I don't mean it in the pretty fsce, but mhj is a designer and it shows. But that won't make them last music wise.

She’s actually the one picking the songs and she has good taste. They also have a great team of in house music producers with them. they can def last music wise (unless they all go with MHJ)

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It's a visua group and I don't mean it in the pretty fsce, but mhj is a designer and it shows. But that won't make them last music wise.

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What's the NewJeans formula btw?

1. vintage, curated, tasteful, stylish, elevated etc. visual aesthetic
2. top quality non green screen MVs
3. “anti kpop” sound (that ironically now became the standard)
4. extremely pretty natural looking members (feel like this is an underrated point tbh)
5. everyone speaks english
6. artistic vision and immense attention to detail when it comes to everything (quality above everything)
7. cool/well thought out collaborations and brand deals
8. minimal pre release marketing. basically do everything differently and have that ‘annoying artsy alt kid’ energy
9. no member stands out too much, the group is bigger than the individual, not many variety shows keeps them mysterious
10. good music lol

(a lot of this comes from the fact MHJ is genuinely a narcissistic neurotic workaholic prodigy)

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A lot of Kpop stans would lose their shit once they understand it's the NewJeans members themselves and their stage parents that are pressuring MHJ. She even showed the messages of the parents frustration. The mental breakdown they had over Le Sserafim being the "first HYBE group". And they were probably the ones that got mad over ILLIT. MHJ has a big ego for sure, but her behavior makes even more sense if you imagine angry stage parents yelling at her to "stop ILLIT from copying my kids!!!" or something like that.

And now if the grown up parents are already acting childish, god knows how the actual children behave. It's not their fault they were raised like this, but we really can't keep ignoring the impact of stage parents. MHJ herself might have wanted to negotiate with HYBE, but what can she do when the creators of her creation want something else.
You just pulled that out of your ass.
MHJ seems very assertive so I'm not surprised she reacted this way. BSH has clearly had a problem with NJ since before they even debuted and a multi-label company should be preventing the companies under it from cannibalizing one another, BSH disregarded MHJ's creative vision, pushed back her group's debut, used her name to create hype for his group and then proceeded to allow the other sub-label who's debuting the other girlgroup he's working on to copy her formula after seeing how successful NJ became. MHJ and the NJ members' parents have every right to be annoyed. HYBE was also the one who leaked info about the audit to the media before the audit had even finished, right before NJ's comeback at that, they're the one's that started this.
I agree with you. But I don't know why you would think that some teens are going to be levelheaded and mature about this. As a 16 year old I also would be mad as hell if someone else copies me. They are probably even more angry about it than MHJ herself. Because they are literally kids.

DA. But Newjeans, even the adult members, have all the right in the world to be annoyed as well? Perfectly understandable. There’s nothing immature about it

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A lot of Kpop stans would lose their shit once they understand it's the NewJeans members themselves and their stage parents that are pressuring MHJ. She even showed the messages of the parents frustration. The mental breakdown they had over Le Sserafim being the "first HYBE group". And they were probably the ones that got mad over ILLIT. MHJ has a big ego for sure, but her behavior makes even more sense if you imagine angry stage parents yelling at her to "stop ILLIT from copying my kids!!!" or something like that.

And now if the grown up parents are already acting childish, god knows how the actual children behave. It's not their fault they were raised like this, but we really can't keep ignoring the impact of stage parents. MHJ herself might have wanted to negotiate with HYBE, but what can she do when the creators of her creation want something else.

Is your brain made of mashed potatoes? genuinely asking

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Anon is telling on itself by calling her bitch bitch bitch bitch in every post while defending him with the same repeatedly debunked lies nonstop.
Yeah, it's very obviously a man or just a misogynistic btass stan. No one else would be defending that fatass that hard.
Da I don’t like that fatass man nor born to scam but I don’t agree with the theory that NJ is mistreated. It’s most likely he favoured LSF and didn’t expect NJ to be this big, but they were still provided financial support like any Hybe group. Him and MHJ have massive egos though.

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How did he favor lsf in any way? They wear mistreated too, had a member kicked for nothing, and newjeans got millions in payola invested in them and i don't think the money comes from mhj.

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Anon is telling on itself by calling her bitch bitch bitch bitch in every post while defending him with the same repeatedly debunked lies nonstop.
Yeah, it's very obviously a man or just a misogynistic btass stan. No one else would be defending that fatass that hard.

Da I don’t like that fatass man nor born to scam but I don’t agree with the theory that NJ is mistreated. It’s most likely he favoured LSF and didn’t expect NJ to be this big, but they were still provided financial support like any Hybe group. Him and MHJ have massive egos though.

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Anyway who I suspect are possible lesbians for now based on receipts I have seen and what all they have said:
Seola
Miryo
Doyeon
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Siyeon
Gahyeon (could be bi/pan though)
Yeji
I'd add Irene, and add a (bi) mention to Yeji and it'd be practically perfect.

I need to know more about Kepler's Yujin cause idk if she should be added or not.

Op. I know I should have mentioned Irene but I am tired of people dragging idols over differing opinions and didn't think the arguments would be worth it. To me she is a potential lesbian unless any actual evidence of her interest in men pops up. I forgot to add the bi in bracket next to Yeji like I did with Gahyeon because both have mentioned guys once but I don't find those incidents particularly strong cases of interest so the possibility is still there in my head.

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Anyway who I suspect are possible lesbians for now based on receipts I have seen and what all they have said:
Seola
Miryo
Doyeon
Solar
Siyeon
Gahyeon (could be bi/pan though)
Yeji

I'd add Irene, and add a (bi) mention to Yeji and it'd be practically perfect.

I need to know more about Kepler's Yujin cause idk if she should be added or not.

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Anon is telling on itself by calling her bitch bitch bitch bitch in every post while defending him with the same repeatedly debunked lies nonstop.

Yeah, it's very obviously a man or just a misogynistic btass stan. No one else would be defending that fatass that hard.

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Lol mhj simps really think that guy would recruit her just to then be jealous of her. Like he recruited someone and wanted her to make the groups flop... Lol Nah the bitch just used that excuse to get idiots to like her and it works
X2 they’re so stupid. He even gave her a lot of money and shares so she’d have more control over the group and Ador.
I don’t even like MHJ and NJ, but there’s literally texts of that fat man congratulating NJ’s success in a very mocking tone. Like he’s actually bitter that a group that he isn’t involved in is having more success than the one he’s involved in. The man has a massive ego.

I'm also ready to bet that he didn't expect NJ's level of success. Their aesthetic was very laid-back, very soft, they didn't look as threatening as, let's say IVE with their 170 cm girls, including bombshells Wonyoung and Yujin. In the mind of a dirty old man with, LSFM's more... mature image will definitely sell more.

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Anon is telling on itself by calling her bitch bitch bitch bitch in every post while defending him with the same repeatedly debunked lies nonstop.

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Lol mhj simps really think that guy would recruit her just to then be jealous of her. Like he recruited someone and wanted her to make the groups flop... Lol Nah the bitch just used that excuse to get idiots to like her and it works
X2 they’re so stupid. He even gave her a lot of money and shares so she’d have more control over the group and Ador.

I don’t even like MHJ and NJ, but there’s literally texts of that fat man congratulating NJ’s success in a very mocking tone. Like he’s actually bitter that a group that he isn’t involved in is having more success than the one he’s involved in. The man has a massive ego.

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Lol mhj simps really think that guy would recruit her just to then be jealous of her. Like he recruited someone and wanted her to make the groups flop... Lol Nah the bitch just used that excuse to get idiots to like her and it works

X2 they’re so stupid. He even gave her a lot of money and shares so she’d have more control over the group and Ador.

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A lot of Kpop stans would lose their shit once they understand it's the NewJeans members themselves and their stage parents that are pressuring MHJ. She even showed the messages of the parents frustration. The mental breakdown they had over Le Sserafim being the "first HYBE group". And they were probably the ones that got mad over ILLIT. MHJ has a big ego for sure, but her behavior makes even more sense if you imagine angry stage parents yelling at her to "stop ILLIT from copying my kids!!!" or something like that.

And now if the grown up parents are already acting childish, god knows how the actual children behave. It's not their fault they were raised like this, but we really can't keep ignoring the impact of stage parents. MHJ herself might have wanted to negotiate with HYBE, but what can she do when the creators of her creation want something else.
You just pulled that out of your ass.
MHJ seems very assertive so I'm not surprised she reacted this way. BSH has clearly had a problem with NJ since before they even debuted and a multi-label company should be preventing the companies under it from cannibalizing one another, BSH disregarded MHJ's creative vision, pushed back her group's debut, used her name to create hype for his group and then proceeded to allow the other sub-label who's debuting the other girlgroup he's working on to copy her formula after seeing how successful NJ became. MHJ and the NJ members' parents have every right to be annoyed. HYBE was also the one who leaked info about the audit to the media before the audit had even finished, right before NJ's comeback at that, they're the one's that started this.

Da debuting LSF before NJ is the smarter decision. First of all NJ members are younger, they can wait. Second of all, LSF has two former Iz*one members, it’s smarter to debut them before a lot of time passes since Iz*one’s disbandment and fans forget about them.

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A lot of Kpop stans would lose their shit once they understand it's the NewJeans members themselves and their stage parents that are pressuring MHJ. She even showed the messages of the parents frustration. The mental breakdown they had over Le Sserafim being the "first HYBE group". And they were probably the ones that got mad over ILLIT. MHJ has a big ego for sure, but her behavior makes even more sense if you imagine angry stage parents yelling at her to "stop ILLIT from copying my kids!!!" or something like that.

And now if the grown up parents are already acting childish, god knows how the actual children behave. It's not their fault they were raised like this, but we really can't keep ignoring the impact of stage parents. MHJ herself might have wanted to negotiate with HYBE, but what can she do when the creators of her creation want something else.
You just pulled that out of your ass.
MHJ seems very assertive so I'm not surprised she reacted this way. BSH has clearly had a problem with NJ since before they even debuted and a multi-label company should be preventing the companies under it from cannibalizing one another, BSH disregarded MHJ's creative vision, pushed back her group's debut, used her name to create hype for his group and then proceeded to allow the other sub-label who's debuting the other girlgroup he's working on to copy her formula after seeing how successful NJ became. MHJ and the NJ members' parents have every right to be annoyed. HYBE was also the one who leaked info about the audit to the media before the audit had even finished, right before NJ's comeback at that, they're the one's that started this.
I agree with you. But I don't know why you would think that some teens are going to be levelheaded and mature about this. As a 16 year old I also would be mad as hell if someone else copies me. They are probably even more angry about it than MHJ herself. Because they are literally kids.

You're all acting as though ILLIT has the potential to dethrone NJ, or that they're the first to attempt to replicate their formula. Everyone and their mother has been trying to know what makes NJ so fresh and unique, and someone has yet to succeed at replicating their aesthetic/concept perfectly. ILLIT has average songs and overproduced MVs. They might give NJ's vibes to the inattentive viewer, but it just takes a little bit of attention to notice they have no substance nor depth. Their debut is boring; pretty but thoughtless. Give them one or two comebacks and you'll start noticing how creatively bankrupt their team is; same for LSFM.

And there are 16 yos on the Lchat? I thought it was only wine ladies and trolls.
I said as a 16 year old I WOULD BE No one was mature at that age...

I never said they have the potential to dethrone NewJeans? I am just saying that the members probably think they are being copied by their own company juniors and maybe think it's unfair. Like when that girl in your class wears the same shirt as you the next day. Arrogant director combined with stage parents = not the best influence. I guess

I remember that when I was sixteen, I started wearing a special type of bun; very strict, very old-fashioned, and it looked good on me. Girls in my class started copying me as soon as the next day, and it pissed me off beyond reason. I went around telling people unprompted how imitation is the best form of flattery and blablabla... I don't know how I'd have reacted if I saw someone trying to copy my career. You're right, the NewJeans members must breathing fire now.

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Fat piggy is angry that his unimaginative ideas flop, while he continues to copy other groups/creatives because that’s what ends up working. He did it for some of B**, L**, and ILL concepts. Maybe it hit a nerve when MHJ called him out on it with the internal report.

Copying is his formula now. That’s why sometimes it looks and feels so uncanny cause there’s no inspiration to it, just a dumbass guessing at what makes something good.

Lardman has always been copying people's ideas, this woman posted this in 2022

She didn't mention any names but she started talking about it again during the scandal

The timing and hints point to it being about lardman and btass

by **Guest** » Yesterday, 19:17

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HYBE/ADOR; is it only the beginning or are we at the end?

Depends on how fast fatty can get rid of MHJ

by **Guest** » Yesterday, 18:58

HYBE/ADOR; is it only the beginning or are we at the end?

by **Guest** » Yesterday, 18:52

Fat piggy is angry that his unimaginative ideas flop, while he continues to copy other groups/creatives because that’s what ends up working. He did it for some of B**, L**, and ILL concepts. Maybe it hit a nerve when MHJ called him out on it with the internal report.

Copying is his formula now. That’s why sometimes it looks and feels so uncanny cause there’s no inspiration to it, just a dumbass guessing at what makes something good.

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A lot of Kpop stans would lose their shit once they understand it's the NewJeans members themselves and their stage parents that are pressuring MHJ. She even showed the messages of the parents frustration. The mental breakdown they had over Le Sserafim being the "first HYBE group". And they were probably the ones that got mad over ILLIT. MHJ has a big ego for sure, but her behavior makes even more sense if you imagine angry stage parents yelling at her to "stop ILLIT from copying my kids!!!" or something like that.

And now if the grown up parents are already acting childish, god knows how the actual children behave. It's not their fault they were raised like this, but we really can't keep ignoring the impact of stage parents. MHJ herself might have wanted to negotiate with HYBE, but what can she do when the creators of her creation want something else.
You just pulled that out of your ass.
MHJ seems very assertive so I'm not surprised she reacted this way. BSH has clearly had a problem with NJ since before they even debuted and a multi-label company should be preventing the companies under it from cannibalizing one another, BSH disregarded MHJ's creative vision, pushed back her group's debut, used her name to create hype for his group and then proceeded to allow the other sub-label who's debuting the other girlgroup he's working on to copy her formula after seeing how successful NJ became. MHJ and the NJ members' parents have every right to be annoyed. HYBE was also the one who leaked info about the audit to the media before the audit had even finished, right before NJ's comeback at that, they're the one's that started this.
I agree with you. But I don't know why you would think that some teens are going to be levelheaded and mature about this. As a 16 year old I also would be mad as hell if someone else copies me. They are probably even more angry about it than MHJ herself. Because they are literally kids.

You're all acting as though ILLIT has the potential to dethrone NJ, or that they're the first to attempt to replicate their formula. Everyone and their mother has been trying to know what makes NJ so fresh and unique, and someone has yet to succeed at replicating their aesthetic/concept perfectly. ILLIT has average songs and overproduced MVs. They might give NJ's vibes to the inattentive viewer, but it just takes a little bit of attention to notice they have no substance nor depth. Their debut is boring; pretty but thoughtless. Give them one or two comebacks and you'll start noticing how creatively bankrupt their team is; same for LSFM.

And there are 16 yos on the Lchat? I thought it was only wine ladies and trolls.

I said as a 16 year old I WOULD BE No one was mature at that age...

I never said they have the potential to dethrone NewJeans? I am just saying that the members probably think they are being copied by their own company juniors and maybe think it's unfair. Like when that girl in your class wears the same shirt as you the next day. Arrogant director combined with stage parents = not the best influence. I guess

by **Guest** » Yesterday, 18:46

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What's the NewJeans formula btw?

This is the perspective of someone that doesn't like their music.

Slightly energetic beat with breathy/sing-talk vocals, natural colored hair, the initial styling for OMG, they seem to all be on equal footing, the synchronized choreo between themselves and the backups, and they're music imo is for mainly the chorus to be remembered which is why so many people use it for social media.

I could be completely off base, but this what I could deduce from my limited perspective

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A lot of Kpop stans would lose their shit once they understand it's the NewJeans members themselves and their stage parents that are pressuring MHJ. She even showed the messages of the parents frustration. The mental breakdown they had over Le Sserafim being the "first HYBE group". And they were probably the ones that got mad over ILLIT. MHJ has a big ego for sure, but her behavior makes even more sense if you imagine angry stage parents yelling at her to "stop ILLIT from copying my kids!!!" or something like that.

And now if the grown up parents are already acting childish, god knows how the actual children behave. It's not their fault they were raised like this, but we really can't keep ignoring the impact of stage parents. MHJ herself might have wanted to negotiate with HYBE, but what can she do when the creators of her creation want something else.
You just pulled that out of your ass.
MHJ seems very assertive so I'm not surprised she reacted this way. BSH has clearly had a problem with NJ since before they even debuted and a multi-label company should be preventing the companies under it from cannibalizing one another, BSH disregarded MHJ's creative vision, pushed back her group's debut, used her name to create hype for his group and then proceeded to allow the other sub-label who's debuting the other girlgroup he's working on to copy her formula after seeing how successful NJ became. MHJ and the NJ members' parents have every right to be annoyed. HYBE was also the one who leaked info about the audit to the media before the audit had even finished, right before NJ's comeback at that, they're the one's that started this.
I agree with you. But I don't know why you would think that some teens are going to be levelheaded and mature about this. As a 16 year old I also would be mad as hell if someone else copies me. They are probably even more angry about it than MHJ herself. Because they are literally kids.

You're all acting as though ILLIT has the potential to dethrone NJ, or that they're the first to attempt to replicate their formula. Everyone and their mother has been trying to know what makes NJ so fresh and unique, and someone has yet to succeed at replicating their aesthetic/concept perfectly. ILLIT has average songs and overproduced MVs. They might give NJ's vibes to the inattentive viewer, but it just takes a little bit of attention to notice they have no substance nor depth. Their debut is boring; pretty but thoughtless. Give them one or two comebacks and you'll start noticing how creatively bankrupt their team is; same for LSFM.

And there are 16 yos on the Lchat? I thought it was only wine ladies and trolls.

da Which other groups are there that are trying to replicate newjeans? Isn't it only hybe ggs doing that?

by **Guest** » Yesterday, 18:19

What's the NewJeans formula btw?

by **Guest** » Yesterday, 18:15

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A lot of Kpop stans would lose their shit once they understand it's the NewJeans members themselves and their stage parents that are pressuring MHJ. She even showed the messages of the parents frustration. The mental breakdown they had over Le Sserafim being the "first HYBE group". And they were probably the ones that got mad over ILLIT. MHJ has a big ego for sure, but her behavior makes even more sense if you imagine angry stage parents yelling at her to "stop ILLIT from copying my kids!!!" or something like that.

And now if the grown up parents are already acting childish, god knows how the actual children behave. It's not their fault they were raised like this, but we really can't keep ignoring the impact of stage parents. MHJ herself might have wanted to negotiate with HYBE, but what can she do when the creators of her creation want something else.
You just pulled that out of your ass.
MHJ seems very assertive so I'm not surprised she reacted this way. BSH has clearly had a problem with NJ since before they even debuted and a multi-label company should be preventing the companies under it from cannibalizing one another, BSH disregarded MHJ's creative vision, pushed back her group's debut, used her name to create hype for his group and then proceeded to allow the other sub-label who's debuting the other girlgroup he's working on to copy her formula after seeing how successful NJ became. MHJ and the NJ members' parents have every right to be annoyed. HYBE was also the one who leaked info about the audit to the media before the audit had even finished, right before NJ's comeback at that, they're the one's that started this.
I agree with you. But I don't know why you would think that some teens are going to be levelheaded and mature about this. As a 16 year old I also would be mad as hell if someone else copies me. They are probably even more angry about it than MHJ herself. Because they are literally kids.

You're all acting as though ILLIT has the potential to dethrone NJ, or that they're the first to attempt to replicate their formula. Everyone and their mother has been trying to know what makes NJ so fresh and unique, and someone has yet to succeed at replicating their aesthetic/concept perfectly. ILLIT has average songs and overproduced MVs. They might give NJ's vibes to the inattentive viewer, but it just takes a little bit of attention to notice they have no substance nor depth. Their debut is boring; pretty but thoughtless. Give them one or two comebacks and you'll start noticing how creatively bankrupt their team is; same for LSFM.

And there are 16 yos on the Lchat?

I thought it was only wine ladies and trolls.

by **Guest** » Yesterday, 18:01

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A lot of Kpop stans would lose their shit once they understand it's the NewJeans members themselves and their stage parents that are pressuring MHJ. She even showed the messages of the parents frustration. The mental breakdown they had over Le Sserafim being the "first HYBE group". And they were probably the ones that got mad over ILLIT. MHJ has a big ego for sure, but her behavior makes even more sense if you imagine angry stage parents yelling at her to "stop ILLIT from copying my kids!!!" or something like that.

And now if the grown up parents are already acting childish, god knows how the actual children behave. It's not their fault they were raised like this, but we really can't keep ignoring the impact of stage parents. MHJ herself might have wanted to negotiate with HYBE, but what can she do when the creators of her creation want something else.
You just pulled that out of your ass.
MHJ seems very assertive so I'm not surprised she reacted this way. BSH has clearly had a problem with NJ since before they even debuted and a multi-label company should be preventing the companies under it from cannibalizing one another, BSH disregarded MHJ's creative vision, pushed back her group's debut, used her name to create hype for his group and then proceeded to allow the other sub-label who's debuting the other girlgroup he's working on to copy her formula after seeing how successful NJ became. MHJ and the NJ members' parents have every right to be annoyed. HYBE was also the one who leaked info about the audit to the media before the audit had even finished, right before NJ's comeback at that, they're the one's that started this.

I agree with you. But I don't know why you would think that some teens are going to be levelheaded and mature about this. As a 16 year old I also would be mad as hell if someone else copies me. They are probably even more angry about it than MHJ herself. Because they are literally kids.

by **Guest** » Yesterday, 18:00

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Lol mhj simps really think that guy would recruit her just to then be jealous of her. Like he recruited someone and wanted her to make the groups flop... Lol Nah the bitch just used that excuse to get idiots to like her and it works

Why do we have people defending that pig on this thread? Like how can you even defend him for that when we all saw the messages he sent about newjeans. How can someone be as brainwashed as you are that they refuse to believe their own eyes just for that fat man? It's beyond my understanding.

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Lol mhj simps really think that guy would recruit her just to then be jealous of her. Like he recruited someone and wanted her to make the groups flop... Lol Nah the bitch just used that excuse to get idiots to like her and it works

Ok Fatty’s simp

by **Guest** » Yesterday, 17:53

Lol mhj simps really think that guy would recruit her just to then be jealous of her. Like he recruited someone and wanted her to make the groups flop... Lol

Nah the bitch just used that excuse to get idiots to like her and it works

by **Guest** » Yesterday, 17:51

NJ’s wins = more money. Like who cares if that woman gets the credit. She did her job so she deserves it. Just enjoy the money. It’s not like Koreans didn’t know he has a part in their success. He’s so arrogant, greedy and power crazy. He must be a control freak and very insecure to still feel inferior when he’s the actual big boss of the whole company. Giving

energy. I hope that whole place burns down

by **Guest** » Yesterday, 17:32

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Didn’t really follow this saga closely but why is that fatty so jealous of NJ when he benefits from their success? It’s so weird

Everyone knows Newjeans as Min Heejin's group, no one thinks of them as his group. I'm sure he enjoys the money they make for him but at the end of the day, he's a man and men have very fragile ego. I'm sure he's pissed a woman is beating him.

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Didn’t really follow this saga closely but why is that fatty so jealous of NJ when he benefits from their success? It’s so weird
Fatty's jealous that behind NJ's success is the neurotic woman MHJ. So fatty wanted to compete by copying NJ.

X2 It's clear that his ego took a hit

by **Guest** » Yesterday, 17:19

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Didn’t really follow this saga closely but why is that fatty so jealous of NJ when he benefits from their success? It’s so weird

Fatty's jealous that behind NJ's success is the neurotic woman MHJ. So fatty wanted to compete by copying NJ.

by **Guest** » Yesterday, 17:14

Didn’t really follow this saga closely but why is that fatty so jealous of NJ when he benefits from their success? It’s so weird

by **Guest** » Yesterday, 17:05

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A lot of Kpop stans would lose their shit once they understand it's the NewJeans members themselves and their stage parents that are pressuring MHJ. She even showed the messages of the parents frustration. The mental breakdown they had over Le Sserafim being the "first HYBE group". And they were probably the ones that got mad over ILLIT. MHJ has a big ego for sure, but her behavior makes even more sense if you imagine angry stage parents yelling at her to "stop ILLIT from copying my kids!!!" or something like that.

And now if the grown up parents are already acting childish, god knows how the actual children behave. It's not their fault they were raised like this, but we really can't keep ignoring the impact of stage parents. MHJ herself might have wanted to negotiate with HYBE, but what can she do when the creators of her creation want something else.

You just pulled that out of your ass.
MHJ seems very assertive so I'm not surprised she reacted this way. BSH has clearly had a problem with NJ since before they even debuted and a multi-label company should be preventing the companies under it from cannibalizing one another, BSH disregarded MHJ's creative vision, pushed back her group's debut, used her name to create hype for his group and then proceeded to allow the other sub-label who's debuting the other girlgroup he's working on to copy her formula after seeing how successful NJ became. MHJ and the NJ members' parents have every right to be annoyed. HYBE was also the one who leaked info about the audit to the media before the audit had even finished, right before NJ's comeback at that, they're the one's that started this.

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I wish i could hide these boring essay posts
I wish I could hide your posts because everytime you post it's something useless no one cares about

You two should kiss and get this weird tension over with.

by **Guest** » Yesterday, 16:56

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A lot of Kpop stans would lose their shit once they understand it's the NewJeans members themselves and their stage parents that are pressuring MHJ. She even showed the messages of the parents frustration. The mental breakdown they had over Le Sserafim being the "first HYBE group". And they were probably the ones that got mad over ILLIT. MHJ has a big ego for sure, but her behavior makes even more sense if you imagine angry stage parents yelling at her to "stop ILLIT from copying my kids!!!" or something like that.

And now if the grown up parents are already acting childish, god knows how the actual children behave. It's not their fault they were raised like this, but we really can't keep ignoring the impact of stage parents. MHJ herself might have wanted to negotiate with HYBE, but what can she do when the creators of her creation want something else.

Sounds like rich and invested parents.

by **Guest** » Yesterday, 16:51

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I wish i could hide these boring essay posts

I wish I could hide your posts because everytime you post it's something useless no one cares about

by **Guest** » Yesterday, 16:40

I wish i could hide these boring essay posts

by **Guest** » Yesterday, 16:32

A lot of Kpop stans would lose their shit once they understand it's the NewJeans members themselves and their stage parents that are pressuring MHJ. She even showed the messages of the parents frustration. The mental breakdown they had over Le Sserafim being the "first HYBE group". And they were probably the ones that got mad over ILLIT. MHJ has a big ego for sure, but her behavior makes even more sense if you imagine angry stage parents yelling at her to "stop ILLIT from copying my kids!!!" or something like that.

And now if the grown up parents are already acting childish, god knows how the actual children behave. It's not their fault they were raised like this, but we really can't keep ignoring the impact of stage parents. MHJ herself might have wanted to negotiate with HYBE, but what can she do when the creators of her creation want something else.

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Been recently going through all the available sources, saw the press conference, researched her past etc. and yeah I’m 100% team MHJ.

After seeing a thread debunking all her “ped0” claims I’ll even go as far as to say she’s not one and the general kpop fandom is grossly exaggerating. She’s just a neurotic woman with a weird lolita fixation. Other CEOs have done much worse.
Completely siding with her on this HYBE matter.

I'm sure she gets lot of unnecessary hate just because she's a woman but I don't think she's completely innocent either. Can you please link the thread deubinking those claims?

by **Guest** » Yesterday, 16:08

A lot of you will stop the arguing if you realize how many men post on here. It's truly not worth it at allll

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