Aespa

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So on top of being aware of her shirt she mentioned it lol... I mean it's hard to not think she's not «baiting» again

les/bi women are already coping and saying her dating scandal was actually just pr, im not gonna get pissed at her if she still continues to bait.
That cope has been a thing since the day the scandal dropped. Now it's worse because people are seeing how it's the least believable dating scandal ever, how quickly it ended, the realization dispatch tried to trick us with fake proof, the fact that the guy seriously seems gay. It could be true though I mean they confirmed right... But still.
The dating news dropped before his drama start and end a few episodes before the finale. If they want to make it believable, they should have dropped the actual proof of them together in a photos. Not to mention the episode where Jang Do Yeon mention her dropped the same day on dating news hence we knew it was planned. Maybe they are seeing each other romantically and breaking up after a months is normal, especially for celebrities like them but I won’t blame people for thinking it’s a PR

Damn yeah forgot about that. And the way he reacts at karina's name, some say he's whipped and that's proof they're dating but it's actually the opposite for me: wouldn't a k celeb who's dating a kpop idol try to pull his best poker face to not raise suspicions? When Jang Doyeon mentions the 2 women, the dude is literally like "wowww really??". Though maybe it's his way to be smooth.
If they dated though that guy seriously seems like a very good person unlike many other men so there's at least that. The fact that he gives huge gay vibes might contribute to that impression.

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So on top of being aware of her shirt she mentioned it lol... I mean it's hard to not think she's not «baiting» again

les/bi women are already coping and saying her dating scandal was actually just pr, im not gonna get pissed at her if she still continues to bait.
That cope has been a thing since the day the scandal dropped. Now it's worse because people are seeing how it's the least believable dating scandal ever, how quickly it ended, the realization dispatch tried to trick us with fake proof, the fact that the guy seriously seems gay. It could be true though I mean they confirmed right... But still.

The dating news dropped before his drama start and end a few episodes before the finale. If they want to make it believable, they should have dropped the actual proof of them together in a photos. Not to mention the episode where Jang Do Yeon mention her dropped the same day on dating news hence we knew it was planned. Maybe they are seeing each other romantically and breaking up after a months is normal, especially for celebrities like them but I won’t blame people for thinking it’s a PR

by **Guest** » Yesterday, 06:07

Also why did she even apologize, was it cause she was stressed seeing the hate by loser incels? She said she's not the type to care about haters but well maybe this was too much hate for her (her fans kept being extremely supportive though). Was she forced to write it? Why is she saying "i won't disappoint you again" that's the most pathetic line. Basically saying she'll stay celibate for the fans like yikes.
Anyways even that damn letter is odd, the fact that it exists in itself is odd. Which i knew for a fact instead of making myself look dumb believing there's a chance it's fake. Can't help it given everything

by **Guest** » Yesterday, 06:03

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So on top of being aware of her shirt she mentioned it lol... I mean it's hard to not think she's not «baiting» again

les/bi women are already coping and saying her dating scandal was actually just pr, im not gonna get pissed at her if she still continues to bait.

That cope has been a thing since the day the scandal dropped. Now it's worse because people are seeing how it's the least believable dating scandal ever, how quickly it ended, the realization dispatch tried to trick us with fake proof, the fact that the guy seriously seems gay. It could be true though I mean they confirmed right... But still.

by **Guest** » 14 Apr 2024, 15:49

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So on top of being aware of her shirt she mentioned it lol... I mean it's hard to not think she's not «baiting» again

les/bi women are already coping and saying her dating scandal was actually just pr, im not gonna get pissed at her if she still continues to bait.

by **Guest** » 10 Apr 2024, 22:34

So on top of being aware of her shirt she mentioned it lol... I mean it's hard to not think she's not «baiting» again

by **Guest** » 02 Apr 2024, 18:25

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Bro I really thought winrina would calm down the fanservice....somehow it seems even more now?
What fanservice have they done since? Cause there was an anon on the kent thread who reposted one Instagram post and called it disgusting gaybaiting when she said "jagiya" to winter, but i recall many idols calling their friends jagiya as a joke so is that "the even more" fanservice they do?

I know it's not like huge fanservice but I thought they would distance themselves a little bit only so that the fans could calm down a bit. All the unnecessary touching, tiktoks, lovestgram and being spotted out together without the other members. Again it's not huge fanservice or anything but I did think they would be more like their first public sighting at the airport for a while longer.

by **Guest** » 02 Apr 2024, 18:04

Wouldn't call myself an Aespa stan but I think Karina is so kind hearted, I like her a lot. I just can tell her heart is gentle

by **Guest** » 02 Apr 2024, 07:46

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Bro I really thought winrina would calm down the fanservice....somehow it seems even more now?

What fanservice have they done since? Cause there was an anon on the kent thread who reposted one Instagram post and called it disgusting gaybaiting when she said "jagiya" to winter, but i recall many idols calling their friends jagiya as a joke so is that "the even more" fanservice they do?

by **Guest** » 02 Apr 2024, 07:19

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Bro I really thought winrina would calm down the fanservice....somehow it seems even more now?

Why would they? Winrina is not the gaybaiting ship you think they are.

by **Guest** » 31 Mar 2024, 04:34

Bro I really thought winrina would calm down the fanservice....somehow it seems even more now?

by **Guest** » 22 Mar 2024, 01:29

Aespa's Synk tour movie is coming to global theaters (April 24/27)! Anyone else super duper hyped? I would love to see it in a 4DX venue but I don't think there are any nearby.

Karina's Menagerie perf on the big screen? Winter playing the guitar? I'm so excited!

by **Guest** » 13 Mar 2024, 21:32

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^ Take your own advice
...and what critism did I receive other than "you're dumb therefore stfu"...you know what fair enough, I will stfu I'm done arguing with people who can't even read

Criticism is stop insulting and acting superior when you're not smarter than your interlocutor on top of being schizophrenic. But i'm glad you finally stfu.

by **Guest** » 13 Mar 2024, 21:19

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^ Take your own advice

...and what critism did I receive other than "you're dumb therefore stfu"...you know what fair enough, I will stfu I'm done arguing with people who can't even read

by **Guest** » 13 Mar 2024, 20:49

^ Take your own advice

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I don't know how old you are but your reading comprehension is really not good I'm not even trying to be rude or insulting this time, I'm serious. If you're over the age of 18 please you need to start reading more and understanding what your reading or else you're going to have serious problems in the future if you can't understand what people are saying
You're not smart you're dumb therefore just stfu
You get over hyped over the slightest winrina interaction to the point you ignore when karina interacts the same with other members, it's on you not karina. Most of the people shipping such a underwhelming ship are middle/high schoolers, the rest find it cute at most or boring. So avoid projecting your low age on others when "totally not trying to be rude"... schizo says something and contradicts herself in the same post but still has the audacity to call others dumb.
I'm done with this convo, you're free to talk shit.

You're done with this convo because you can't argue anymore is why you're done you're not fooling anyone. Ah yes, the good old insult "you're dumb therefore stfu" LMAO what are you, 12? Learn to accept self criticism and learn from it.

by **Guest** » 13 Mar 2024, 19:39

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I don't know how old you are but your reading comprehension is really not good I'm not even trying to be rude or insulting this time, I'm serious. If you're over the age of 18 please you need to start reading more and understanding what your reading or else you're going to have serious problems in the future if you can't understand what people are saying

You're not smart you're dumb therefore just stfu
You get over hyped over the slightest winrina interaction to the point you ignore when karina interacts the same with other members, it's on you not karina. Most of the people shipping such a underwhelming ship are middle/high schoolers, the rest find it cute at most or boring. So avoid projecting your low age on others when "totally not trying to be rude"... schizo says something and contradicts herself in the same post but still has the audacity to call others dumb.
I'm done with this convo, you're free to talk shit.

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No you didn't fucking say that, you said Winrina is a FANSERVICE SHIP that FANSERVICE FLIRTS and your arguments are that karina doing the most cute and light shit to winter has to be to get fans attention (fanservice). All the interactions they have to you is just for the fans, karina calling winter cute and touching her hand on stage is just to service fans. Their entire friendship is borderline fan service to you and used as gaybait even if such interactions are observed between other members too.
You're ridiculous, insulting and pretentious while having ridiculous opinions.
Don't get mad at me because you're stupid and can't read. This was my first post idiot

Same. I also want to see how she acts around winter, I get that they are probably naturally just touchy friends but some of it had to be fanservice, they were literally on eachother 24/7... And Karina was always flirting with her

"karina always flirting with her" I can read very well, nobody cares about the bold part if it contracticts itself one sentence after. And it's that sentence that made me react, also

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Yeah no..sorry Karina was clearly flirting, fanservice flirting. Saying how the seat she'll take when in a classroom will be next to winter. Saying winter is cute whenever she breathes, her literally saying she's flirting with winter when she playfully touches her during drama performances. It might not be REAL flirting but it was definitely fan service flirting so I don't know what to tell you, you must be dense to think Karina wasn't flirting with her
Yeah pretty dense and it's funny how they're all flirting between each other, all the members gaybaiting and fanserving while being the most boring about it in kpop (their so called fan service limiting itself to hugs, hand touching and saying another member is cute).... But yeah
If you read it properly I said their touchiness is for the most part natural, but Karina's flirting is fanservice. There's no need to flirt with your friend infront of camera while you fully well know you're being shipped with her, it's definitely fanservice whether or not she does it off cam too and it's normal for them, she knows the fans will go crazy when she flirts with winter so either way it's fanservice since she's doing it to hype the fans up.
My opinion is karina is being herself and does the same with the other members, she'd be silly to stop because you go crazy everytime she peeks at winter. She's done that since always, it's her personality, it's not fanservice, it's just her loving women and babying them or whatever.

Karina is extremely touchy with winter, way more than with the other members. I agree she's touchy will all of them, but with winter it's next level. If you don't agree then that's fine, I don't care to convince you but I'm sure there's a lot of people that would agree with me

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If you read my first post I said that winrina seems be touchy touchy kind of friends but some of it had to be fanservice because it was really over the top sometimes. You basically just said the same in an essay form
No you didn't fucking say that, you said Winrina is a FANSERVICE SHIP that FANSERVICE FLIRTS and your arguments are that karina doing the most cute and light shit to winter has to be to get fans attention (fanservice). All the interactions they have to you is just for the fans, karina calling winter cute and touching her hand on stage is just to service fans. Their entire friendship is borderline fan service to you and used as gaybait even if such interactions are observed between other members too.
You're ridiculous, insulting and pretentious while having ridiculous opinions.
Don't get mad at me because you're stupid and can't read. This was my first post idiot

Same. I also want to see how she acts around winter, I get that they are probably naturally just touchy friends but some of it had to be fanservice, they were literally on eachother 24/7... And Karina was always flirting with her

"karina always flirting with her" I can read very well, nobody cares about the bold part if it contracticts itself one sentence after. And it's that sentence that made me react, also

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Yeah no..sorry Karina was clearly flirting, fanservice flirting. Saying how the seat she'll take when in a classroom will be next to winter. Saying winter is cute whenever she breathes, her literally saying she's flirting with winter when she playfully touches her during drama performances. It might not be REAL flirting but it was definitely fan service flirting so I don't know what to tell you, you must be dense to think Karina wasn't flirting with her
Yeah pretty dense and it's funny how they're all flirting between each other, all the members gaybaiting and fanserving while being the most boring about it in kpop (their so called fan service limiting itself to hugs, hand touching and saying another member is cute).... But yeah
If you read it properly I said their touchiness is for the most part natural, but Karina's flirting is fanservice. There's no need to flirt with your friend infront of camera while you fully well know you're being shipped with her, it's definitely fanservice whether or not she does it off cam too and it's normal for them, she knows the fans will go crazy when she flirts with winter so either way it's fanservice since she's doing it to hype the fans up.

My opinion is karina is being herself and does the same with the other members, she'd be silly to stop because you go crazy everytime she peeks at winter. She's done that since always, it's her personality, it's not fanservice, it's just her loving women and babying them or whatever.

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If you read my first post I said that winrina seems be touchy touchy kind of friends but some of it had to be fanservice because it was really over the top sometimes. You basically just said the same in an essay form
No you didn't fucking say that, you said Winrina is a FANSERVICE SHIP that FANSERVICE FLIRTS and your arguments are that karina doing the most cute and light shit to winter has to be to get fans attention (fanservice). All the interactions they have to you is just for the fans, karina calling winter cute and touching her hand on stage is just to service fans. Their entire friendship is borderline fan service to you and used as gaybait even if such interactions are observed between other members too.
You're ridiculous, insulting and pretentious while having ridiculous opinions.
Don't get mad at me because you're stupid and can't read. This was my first post idiot

Same. I also want to see how she acts around winter, I get that they are probably naturally just touchy friends but some of it had to be fanservice, they were literally on eachother 24/7... And Karina was always flirting with her

"karina always flirting with her" I can read very well, nobody cares about the bold part if it contracticts itself one sentence after. And it's that sentence that made me react, also

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Yeah no..sorry Karina was clearly flirting, fanservice flirting. Saying how the seat she'll take when in a classroom will be next to winter. Saying winter is cute whenever she breathes, her literally saying she's flirting with winter when she playfully touches her during drama performances. It might not be REAL flirting but it was definitely fan service flirting so I don't know what to tell you, you must be dense to think Karina wasn't flirting with her
Yeah pretty dense and it's funny how they're all flirting between each other, all the members gaybaiting and fanserving while being the most boring about it in kpop (their so called fan service limiting itself to hugs, hand touching and saying another member is cute).... But yeah
If you read it properly I said their touchiness is for the most part natural, but Karina's flirting is fanservice. There's no need to flirt with your friend infront of camera while you fully well know you're being shipped with her, it's definitely fanservice whether or not she does it off cam too and it's normal for them, she knows the fans will go crazy when she flirts with winter so either way it's fanservice since she's doing it to hype the fans up.

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I don't know how old you are but your reading comprehension is really not good I'm not even trying to be rude or insulting this time, I'm serious. If you're over the age of 18 please you need to start reading more and understanding what your reading or else you're going to have serious problems in the future if you can't understand what people are saying

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It's honestly w/e. Fanservice has been around since the beginning of time and I can enjoy SM's (girl groups') fanservice since it's all about the good vibes/closeness between members at the end of the day. It's not the outright cringe, raunchy, and gay4pay fanservice that a lot of guy groups or guy/girl groups in other countries do.

WinRina may be straight but enjoy skinship+throwing flirty lines at each other like normal friends do irl (yes, friends can jokingly flirt with each other). Or they might be bi and have been attracted to each other at one point during the long ass time they've known each other and thus we get glimpses of tension here and there It's fine to believe in whichever scenario while acknowledging that some of the things we get to see from them are fanservice because these interactions all fall under bonding and everyone likes seeing that. And I don't think fanservice is problematic when members are actually close with each other. I think certain fans *make* it a problem when it's clear that they only like a certain idol because they want them to be 100% gay.

Like there's the group's music, the visuals, the performances, variety skills, and even just basic personality, but certain people only want to see, breathe, hear, and think through their hormones

WinRina isn't full-on gaybait to me because I think that term and the outrage that comes with it is cringe/exaggerated most of the time, and it's possible that they might just like being super touchy and interact with each other in similar degrees off-camera. If people have the understanding that it's a part of the culture and everything has a level of some fanservice if it's not kept private, then it shouldn't bother them so much. Even real couples, both famous and non-famous, do "fanservice" for the people that watch them.

I'd say gaybaiting in anime/manga (not subtext because there's a lot of depth there) is way more "real" but that's a different topic.
If you read my first post I said that winrina seems be touchy touchy kind of friends but some of it had to be fanservice because it was really over the top sometimes. You basically just said the same in an essay form
No you didn't fucking say that, you said Winrina is a FANSERVICE SHIP that FANSERVICE FLIRTS and your arguments are that karina doing the most cute and light shit to winter has to be to get fans attention (fanservice). All the interactions they have to you is just for the fans, karina calling winter cute and touching her hand on stage is just to service fans. Their entire friendship is borderline fan service to you and used as gaybait even if such interactions are observed between other members too.
You're ridiculous, insulting and pretentious while having ridiculous opinions.
Don't get mad at me because you're stupid and can't read. This was my first post idiot

Same. I also want to see how she acts around winter, I get that they are probably naturally just touchy friends but some of it had to be fanservice, they were literally on eachother 24/7... And Karina was always flirting with her

"karina always flirting with her" I can read very well, nobody cares about the bold part if it contracticts itself one sentence after. And it's that sentence that made me react, also

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Yeah no..sorry Karina was clearly flirting, fanservice flirting. Saying how the seat she'll take when in a classroom will be next to winter. Saying winter is cute whenever she breathes, her literally saying she's flirting with winter when she playfully touches her during drama performances. It might not be REAL flirting but it was definitely fan service flirting so I don't know what to tell you, you must be dense to think Karina wasn't flirting with her
Yeah pretty dense and it's funny how they're all flirting between each other, all the members gaybaiting and fanserving while being the most boring about it in kpop (their so called fan service limiting itself to hugs, hand touching and saying another member is cute).... But yeah

If you read it properly I said their touchiness is for the most part natural, but Karina's flirting is fanservice. There's no need to flirt with your friend infront of camera while you fully well know you're being shipped with her, it's definitely fanservice whether or not she does it off cam too and it's normal for them, she knows the fans will go crazy when she flirts with winter so either way it's fanservice since she's doing it to hype the fans up.

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....it's like talking to a wall...I said their flirting is fanservice
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It's honestly w/e. Fanservice has been around since the beginning of time and I can enjoy SM's (girl groups') fanservice since it's all about the good vibes/closeness between members at the end of the day. It's not the outright cringe, raunchy, and gay4pay fanservice that a lot of guy groups or guy/girl groups in other countries do.

WinRina may be straight but enjoy skinship+throwing flirty lines at each other like normal friends do irl (yes, friends can jokingly flirt with each other). Or they might be bi and have been attracted to each other at one point during the long ass time they've known each other and thus we get glimpses of tension here and there It's fine to believe in whichever scenario while acknowledging that some of the things we get to see from them are fanservice because these interactions all fall under bonding and everyone likes seeing that. And I don't think fanservice is problematic when members are actually close with each other. I think certain fans *make* it a problem when it's clear that they only like a certain idol because they want them to be 100% gay.

Like there's the group's music, the visuals, the performances, variety skills, and even just basic personality, but certain people only want to see, breathe, hear, and think through their hormones

WinRina isn't full-on gaybait to me because I think that term and the outrage that comes with it is cringe/exaggerated most of the time, and it's possible that they might just like being super touchy and interact with each other in similar degrees off-camera. If people have the understanding that it's a part of the culture and everything has a level of some fanservice if it's not kept private, then it shouldn't bother them so much. Even real couples, both famous and non-famous, do "fanservice" for the people that watch them.

I'd say gaybaiting in anime/manga (not subtext because there's a lot of depth there) is way more "real" but that's a different topic.
If you read my first post I said that winrina seems be touchy touchy kind of friends but some of it had to be fanservice because it was really over the top sometimes. You basically just said the same in an essay form
No you didn't fucking say that, you said Winrina is a FANSERVICE SHIP that FANSERVICE FLIRTS and your arguments are that karina doing the most cute and light shit to winter has to be to get fans attention (fanservice). All the interactions they have to you is just for the fans, karina calling winter cute and touching her hand on stage is just to service fans. Their entire friendship is borderline fan service to you and used as gaybait even if such interactions are observed between other members too.
You're ridiculous, insulting and pretentious while having ridiculous opinions.
Don't get mad at me because you're stupid and can't read. This was my first post idiot

Same. I also want to see how she acts around winter, I get that they are probably naturally just touchy friends but some of it had to be fanservice, they were literally on eachother 24/7... And Karina was always flirting with her

"karina always flirting with her" I can read very well, nobody cares about the bold part if it contracticts itself one sentence after. And it's that sentence that made me react, also

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Yeah no..sorry Karina was clearly flirting, fanservice flirting. Saying how the seat she'll take when in a classroom will be next to winter. Saying winter is cute whenever she breathes, her literally saying she's flirting with winter when she playfully touches her during drama performances. It might not be REAL flirting but it was definitely fan service flirting so I don't know what to tell you, you must be dense to think Karina wasn't flirting with her

Yeah pretty dense and it's funny how they're all flirting between each other, all the members gaybaiting and fanserving while being the most boring about it in kpop (their so called fan service limiting itself to hugs, hand touching and saying another member is cute).... But yeah

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My bad I didn't read the "her saying she's flirting" part. But I disagree except for that time she said this, Winrina is a gaybait ship that fanservice flirts. They're light, pre school tier of flirting maybe.
....it's like talking to a wall...I said their flirting is fanservice
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It's honestly w/e. Fanservice has been around since the beginning of time and I can enjoy SM's (girl groups') fanservice since it's all about the good vibes/closeness between members at the end of the day. It's not the outright cringe, raunchy, and gay4pay fanservice that a lot of guy groups or guy/girl groups in other countries do.

WinRina may be straight but enjoy skinship+throwing flirty lines at each other like normal friends do irl (yes, friends can jokingly flirt with each other). Or they might be bi and have been attracted to each other at one point during the long ass time they've known each other and thus we get glimpses of tension here and there It's fine to believe in whichever scenario while acknowledging that some of the things we get to see from them are fanservice because these interactions all fall under bonding and everyone likes seeing that. And I don't think fanservice is problematic when members are actually close with each other. I think certain fans *make* it a problem when it's clear that they only like a certain idol because they want them to be 100% gay.

Like there's the group's music, the visuals, the performances, variety skills, and even just basic personality, but certain people only want to see, breathe, hear, and think through their hormones

WinRina isn't full-on gaybait to me because I think that term and the outrage that comes with it is cringe/exaggerated most of the time, and it's possible that they might just like being super touchy and interact with each other in similar degrees off-camera. If people have the understanding that it's a part of the culture and everything has a level of some fanservice if it's not kept private, then it shouldn't bother them so much. Even real couples, both famous and non-famous, do "fanservice" for the people that watch them.

I'd say gaybaiting in anime/manga (not subtext because there's a lot of depth there) is way more "real" but that's a different topic.
If you read my first post I said that winrina seems be touchy touchy kind of friends but some of it had to be fanservice because it was really over the top sometimes. You basically just said the same in an essay form
No you didn't fucking say that, you said Winrina is a FANSERVICE SHIP that FANSERVICE FLIRTS and your arguments are that karina doing the most cute and light shit to winter has to be to get fans attention (fanservice). All the interactions they have to you is just for the fans, karina calling winter cute and touching her hand on stage is just to service fans. Their entire friendship is borderline fan service to you and used as gaybait even if such interactions are observed between other members too.
You're ridiculous, insulting and pretentious while having ridiculous opinions.

Don't get mad at me because you're stupid and can't read. This was my first post idiot

Same. I also want to see how she acts around winter, I get that they are probably naturally just touchy friends but some of it had to be fanservice, they were literally on eachother 24/7... And Karina was always flirting with her

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My bad I didn't read the "her saying she's flirting" part. But I disagree except for that time she said this, Winrina is a gaybait ship that fanservice flirts. They're light, pre school tier of flirting maybe.
....it's like talking to a wall...I said their flirting is fanservice
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It's honestly w/e. Fanservice has been around since the beginning of time and I can enjoy SM's (girl groups') fanservice since it's all about the good vibes/closeness between members at the end of the day. It's not the outright cringe, raunchy, and gay4pay fanservice that a lot of guy groups or guy/girl groups in other countries do.

WinRina may be straight but enjoy skinship+throwing flirty lines at each other like normal friends do irl (yes, friends can jokingly flirt with each other). Or they might be bi and have been attracted to each other at one point during the long ass time they've known each other and thus we get glimpses of tension here and there It's fine to believe in whichever scenario while acknowledging that some of the things we get to see from them are fanservice because these interactions all fall under bonding and everyone likes seeing that. And I don't think fanservice is problematic when members are actually close with each other. I think certain fans *make* it a problem when it's clear that they only like a certain idol because they want them to be 100% gay.

Like there's the group's music, the visuals, the performances, variety skills, and even just basic personality, but certain people only want to see, breathe, hear, and think through their hormones

WinRina isn't full-on gaybait to me because I think that term and the outrage that comes with it is cringe/exaggerated most of the time, and it's possible that they might just like being super touchy and interact with each other in similar degrees off-camera. If people have the understanding that it's a part of the culture and everything has a level of some fanservice if it's not kept private, then it shouldn't bother them so much. Even real couples, both famous and non-famous, do "fanservice" for the people that watch them.

I'd say gaybaiting in anime/manga (not subtext because there's a lot of depth there) is way more "real" but that's a different topic.
If you read my first post I said that winrina seems be touchy touchy kind of friends but some of it had to be fanservice because it was really over the top sometimes. You basically just said the same in an essay form
I was mostly adding on my take/thoughts on the ship because someone mentioned "gaybait" and because there's 1 or 2 trolls that are always going "all your pretty K-pop idols are straight and you're all delusional trololol" whenever something like this happens. WinRina could be bi at best but nothing's wrong with being really touchy good friends either.

Ah got you

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And you're missing the point moron. It's not that she's playfully touching her, it's the fact that she said she was flirting with her. That sentence alone is fanservice jeeessssusssssss
My bad I didn't read the "her saying she's flirting" part. But I disagree except for that time she said this, Winrina is a gaybait ship that fanservice flirts. They're light, pre school tier of flirting maybe.
....it's like talking to a wall...I said their flirting is fanservice
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It's honestly w/e. Fanservice has been around since the beginning of time and I can enjoy SM's (girl groups') fanservice since it's all about the good vibes/closeness between members at the end of the day. It's not the outright cringe, raunchy, and gay4pay fanservice that a lot of guy groups or guy/girl groups in other countries do.

WinRina may be straight but enjoy skinship+throwing flirty lines at each other like normal friends do irl (yes, friends can jokingly flirt with each other). Or they might be bi and have been attracted to each other at one point during the long ass time they've known each other and thus we get glimpses of tension here and there It's fine to believe in whichever scenario while acknowledging that some of the things we get to see from them are fanservice because these interactions all fall under bonding and everyone likes seeing that. And I don't think fanservice is problematic when members are actually close with each other. I think certain fans *make* it a problem when it's clear that they only like a certain idol because they want them to be 100% gay.

Like there's the group's music, the visuals, the performances, variety skills, and even just basic personality, but certain people only want to see, breathe, hear, and think through their hormones

WinRina isn't full-on gaybait to me because I think that term and the outrage that comes with it is cringe/exaggerated most of the time, and it's possible that they might just like being super touchy and interact with each other in similar degrees off-camera. If people have the understanding that it's a part of the culture and everything has a level of some fanservice if it's not kept private, then it shouldn't bother them so much. Even real couples, both famous and non-famous, do "fanservice" for the people that watch them.

I'd say gaybaiting in anime/manga (not subtext because there's a lot of depth there) is way more "real" but that's a different topic.
If you read my first post I said that winrina seems be touchy touchy kind of friends but some of it had to be fanservice because it was really over the top sometimes. You basically just said the same in an essay form

I was mostly adding on my take/thoughts on the ship because someone mentioned "gaybait" and because there's 1 or 2 trolls that are always going "all your pretty K-pop idols are straight and you're all delusional trololol" whenever something like this happens. WinRina could be bi at best but nothing's wrong with being really touchy good friends either.

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So funny how it's always the straightest K pop girls you try and claim. Even Jisoo and Irene who said homophobic shit. Karina never did anything to indicate she liked girls at all.

Karina did plenty of stuff to indicate she liked girls and did these before even debuting so just fuck off troll, nobody gives a damn about your made up shit on irene and jisoo etc

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And you're missing the point moron. It's not that she's playfully touching her, it's the fact that she said she was flirting with her. That sentence alone is fanservice jeeessssusssssss
My bad I didn't read the "her saying she's flirting" part. But I disagree except for that time she said this, Winrina is a gaybait ship that fanservice flirts. They're light, pre school tier of flirting maybe.
....it's like talking to a wall...I said their flirting is fanservice
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It's honestly w/e. Fanservice has been around since the beginning of time and I can enjoy SM's (girl groups') fanservice since it's all about the good vibes/closeness between members at the end of the day. It's not the outright cringe, raunchy, and gay4pay fanservice that a lot of guy groups or guy/girl groups in other countries do.

WinRina may be straight but enjoy skinship+throwing flirty lines at each other like normal friends do irl (yes, friends can jokingly flirt with each other). Or they might be bi and have been attracted to each other at one point during the long ass time they've known each other and thus we get glimpses of tension here and there It's fine to believe in whichever scenario while acknowledging that some of the things we get to see from them are fanservice because these interactions all fall under bonding and everyone likes seeing that. And I don't think fanservice is problematic when members are actually close with each other. I think certain fans *make* it a problem when it's clear that they only like a certain idol because they want them to be 100% gay.

Like there's the group's music, the visuals, the performances, variety skills, and even just basic personality, but certain people only want to see, breathe, hear, and think through their hormones

WinRina isn't full-on gaybait to me because I think that term and the outrage that comes with it is cringe/exaggerated most of the time, and it's possible that they might just like being super touchy and interact with each other in similar degrees off-camera. If people have the understanding that it's a part of the culture and everything has a level of some fanservice if it's not kept private, then it shouldn't bother them so much. Even real couples, both famous and non-famous, do "fanservice" for the people that watch them.

I'd say gaybaiting in anime/manga (not subtext because there's a lot of depth there) is way more "real" but that's a different topic.
If you read my first post I said that winrina seems be touchy touchy kind of friends but some of it had to be fanservice because it was really over the top sometimes. You basically just said the same in an essay form

No you didn't fucking say that, you said Winrina is a FANSERVICE SHIP that FANSERVICE FLIRTS and your arguments are that karina doing the most cute and light shit to winter has to be to get fans attention (fanservice). All the interactions they have to you is just for the fans, karina calling winter cute and touching her hand on stage is just to service fans. Their entire friendship is borderline fan service to you and used as gaybait even if such interactions are observed between other members too.
You're ridiculous, insulting and pretentious while having ridiculous opinions.

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So funny how it's always the straightest K pop girls you try and claim. Even Jisoo and Irene who said homophobic shit. Karina never did anything to indicate she liked girls at all.

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Jesus Christ some of you are idiots. Have you ever been flirted with before? What do you think flirting is?it's not all "I want to fuck you" type shit. Some of the times it's more lighthearted. And what are you going to say about the time she literally said she's flirting with winter when she touches her in drama performances, you casually left that out. FANSERVICE. Thank you next.
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And you're missing the point moron. It's not that she's playfully touching her, it's the fact that she said she was flirting with her. That sentence alone is fanservice jeeessssusssssss
My bad I didn't read the "her saying she's flirting" part. But I disagree except for that time she said this, Winrina is a gaybait ship that fanservice flirts. They're light, pre school tier of flirting maybe.
....it's like talking to a wall...I said their flirting is fanservice
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It's honestly w/e. Fanservice has been around since the beginning of time and I can enjoy SM's (girl groups') fanservice since it's all about the good vibes/closeness between members at the end of the day. It's not the outright cringe, raunchy, and gay4pay fanservice that a lot of guy groups or guy/girl groups in other countries do.

WinRina may be straight but enjoy skinship+throwing flirty lines at each other like normal friends do irl (yes, friends can jokingly flirt with each other). Or they might be bi and have been attracted to each other at one point during the long ass time they've known each other and thus we get glimpses of tension here and there It's fine to believe in whichever scenario while acknowledging that some of the things we get to see from them are fanservice because these interactions all fall under bonding and everyone likes seeing that. And I don't think fanservice is problematic when members are actually close with each other. I think certain fans *make* it a problem when it's clear that they only like a certain idol because they want them to be 100% gay.

Like there's the group's music, the visuals, the performances, variety skills, and even just basic personality, but certain people only want to see, breathe, hear, and think through their hormones

WinRina isn't full-on gaybait to me because I think that term and the outrage that comes with it is cringe/exaggerated most of the time, and it's possible that they might just like being super touchy and interact with each other in similar degrees off-camera. If people have the understanding that it's a part of the culture and everything has a level of some fanservice if it's not kept private, then it shouldn't bother them so much. Even real couples, both famous and non-famous, do "fanservice" for the people that watch them.

I'd say gaybaiting in anime/manga (not subtext because there's a lot of depth there) is way more "real" but that's a different topic.

If you read my first post I said that winrina seems be touchy touchy kind of friends but some of it had to be fanservice because it was really over the top sometimes. You basically just said the same in an essay form

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"Saying how the seat she'll take when in a classroom will be next to winter."
You call that flirting in all seriousness...

"Saying winter is cute whenever she breathes, her literally saying she's flirting with winter when she playfully touches her during drama performances."

I'm sorry but is Karina forbidden to even interact with Winter or you'll start having ideas and call it fanservice? If Karina is gay/bisexual and Winter is her type maybe you could say that this is proof she's into her but... flirting? She also playfully touched the other members not just Winter and called Ningning cute several times. But anyways if you think that's flirting then whatever
Jesus Christ some of you are idiots. Have you ever been flirted with before? What do you think flirting is?it's not all "I want to fuck you" type shit. Some of the times it's more lighthearted. And what are you going to say about the time she literally said she's flirting with winter when she touches her in drama performances, you casually left that out. FANSERVICE. Thank you next.
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And you're missing the point moron. It's not that she's playfully touching her, it's the fact that she said she was flirting with her. That sentence alone is fanservice jeeessssusssssss
My bad I didn't read the "her saying she's flirting" part. But I disagree except for that time she said this, Winrina is a gaybait ship that fanservice flirts. They're light, pre school tier of flirting maybe.
....it's like talking to a wall...I said their flirting is fanservice

DA

It's honestly w/e. Fanservice has been around since the beginning of time and I can enjoy SM's (girl groups') fanservice since it's all about the good vibes/closeness between members at the end of the day. It's not the outright cringe, raunchy, and gay4pay fanservice that a lot of guy groups or guy/girl groups in other countries do.

WinRina may be straight but enjoy skinship+throwing flirty lines at each other like normal friends do irl (yes, friends can jokingly flirt with each other). Or they might be bi and have been attracted to each other at one point during the long ass time they've known each other and thus we get glimpses of tension here and there

It's fine to believe in whichever scenario while acknowledging that some of the things we get to see from them are fanservice because these interactions all fall under bonding and everyone likes seeing that. And I don't think fanservice is problematic when members are actually close with each other. I think certain fans *make* it a problem when it's clear that they only like a certain idol because they want them to be 100% gay.

Like there's the group's music, the visuals, the performances, variety skills, and even just basic personality, but certain people only want to see, breathe, hear, and think through their hormones

WinRina isn't full-on gaybait to me because I think that term and the outrage that comes with it is cringe/exaggerated most of the time, and it's possible that they might just like being super touchy and interact with each other in similar degrees off-camera. If people have the understanding that it's a part of the culture and everything has a level of some fanservice if it's not kept private, then it shouldn't bother them so much. Even real couples, both famous and non-famous, do "fanservice" for the people that watch them.

I'd say gaybaiting in anime/manga (not subtext because there's a lot of depth there) is way more "real" but that's a different topic.

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Yeah no..sorry Karina was clearly flirting, fanservice flirting. Saying how the seat she'll take when in a classroom will be next to winter. Saying winter is cute whenever she breathes, her literally saying she's flirting with winter when she playfully touches her during drama performances. It might not be REAL flirting but it was definitely fan service flirting so I don't know what to tell you, you must be dense to think Karina wasn't flirting with her
"Saying how the seat she'll take when in a classroom will be next to winter."
You call that flirting in all seriousness...

"Saying winter is cute whenever she breathes, her literally saying she's flirting with winter when she playfully touches her during drama performances."

I'm sorry but is Karina forbidden to even interact with Winter or you'll start having ideas and call it fanservice? If Karina is gay/bisexual and Winter is her type maybe you could say that this is proof she's into her but... flirting? She also playfully touched the other members not just Winter and called Ningning cute several times. But anyways if you think that's flirting then whatever
Jesus Christ some of you are idiots. Have you ever been flirted with before? What do you think flirting is?it's not all "I want to fuck you" type shit. Some of the times it's more lighthearted. And what are you going to say about the time she literally said she's flirting with winter when she touches her in drama performances, you casually left that out. FANSERVICE. Thank you next.
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And you're missing the point moron. It's not that she's playfully touching her, it's the fact that she said she was flirting with her. That sentence alone is fanservice jeeessssusssssss
My bad I didn't read the "her saying she's flirting" part. But I disagree except for that time she said this, Winrina is a gaybait ship that fanservice flirts. They're light, pre school tier of flirting maybe.

....it's like talking to a wall...I said their flirting is fanservice

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Da no she wasn't, and Winter also participated in the very weak "flirting" they did. They just touched hands, did hearts with their fingers and other stuff that are what every close friends do. In comparison to Ryeji they're absolutely not gaybaiting or flirting at all.
Yeah no..sorry Karina was clearly flirting, fanservice flirting. Saying how the seat she'll take when in a classroom will be next to winter. Saying winter is cute whenever she breathes, her literally saying she's flirting with winter when she playfully touches her during drama performances. It might not be REAL flirting but it was definitely fan service flirting so I don't know what to tell you, you must be dense to think Karina wasn't flirting with her
"Saying how the seat she'll take when in a classroom will be next to winter."
You call that flirting in all seriousness...

"Saying winter is cute whenever she breathes, her literally saying she's flirting with winter when she playfully touches her during drama performances."

I'm sorry but is Karina forbidden to even interact with Winter or you'll start having ideas and call it fanservice? If Karina is gay/bisexual and Winter is her type maybe you could say that this is proof she's into her but... flirting? She also playfully touched the other members not just Winter and called Ningning cute several times. But anyways if you think that's flirting then whatever
Jesus Christ some of you are idiots. Have you ever been flirted with before? What do you think flirting is?it's not all "I want to fuck you" type shit. Some of the times it's more lighthearted. And what are you going to say about the time she literally said she's flirting with winter when she touches her in drama performances, you casually left that out. FANSERVICE. Thank you next.
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And you're missing the point moron. It's not that she's playfully touching her, it's the fact that she said she was flirting with her. That sentence alone is fanservice jeeessssusssssss

My bad I didn't read the "her saying she's flirting" part. But I disagree except for that time she said this, Winrina is a gaybait ship that fanservice flirts. They're light, pre school tier of flirting maybe.

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Same. I also want to see how she acts around winter, I get that they are probably naturally just touchy friends but some of it had to be fanservice, they were literally on eachother 24/7... And Karina was always flirting with her
Da no she wasn't, and Winter also participated in the very weak "flirting" they did. They just touched hands, did hearts with their fingers and other stuff that are what every close friends do. In comparison to Ryeji they're absolutely not gaybaiting or flirting at all.
Yeah no..sorry Karina was clearly flirting, fanservice flirting. Saying how the seat she'll take when in a classroom will be next to winter. Saying winter is cute whenever she breathes, her literally saying she's flirting with winter when she playfully touches her during drama performances. It might not be REAL flirting but it was definitely fan service flirting so I don't know what to tell you, you must be dense to think Karina wasn't flirting with her
"Saying how the seat she'll take when in a classroom will be next to winter."
You call that flirting in all seriousness...

"Saying winter is cute whenever she breathes, her literally saying she's flirting with winter when she playfully touches her during drama performances."

I'm sorry but is Karina forbidden to even interact with Winter or you'll start having ideas and call it fanservice? If Karina is gay/bisexual and Winter is her type maybe you could say that this is proof she's into her but... flirting? She also playfully touched the other members not just Winter and called Ningning cute several times. But anyways if you think that's flirting then whatever
Jesus Christ some of you are idiots. Have you ever been flirted with before? What do you think flirting is?it's not all "I want to fuck you" type shit. Some of the times it's more lighthearted. And what are you going to say about the time she literally said she's flirting with winter when she touches her in drama performances, you casually left that out. FANSERVICE. Thank you next.

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And you're missing the point moron. It's not that she's playfully touching her, it's the fact that she said she was flirting with her. That sentence alone is fanservice jeeessssusssssss

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In the first vid she looks like a war veteran looking back at her life.
And these clothes are... nice.

I can't wait to see how she'll act if it's gonna be different or not
Same. I also want to see how she acts around winter, I get that they are probably naturally just touchy friends but some of it had to be fanservice, they were literally on eachother 24/7... And Karina was always flirting with her
Da no she wasn't, and Winter also participated in the very weak "flirting" they did. They just touched hands, did hearts with their fingers and other stuff that are what every close friends do. In comparison to Ryeji they're absolutely not gaybaiting or flirting at all.
Yeah no..sorry Karina was clearly flirting, fanservice flirting. Saying how the seat she'll take when in a classroom will be next to winter. Saying winter is cute whenever she breathes, her literally saying she's flirting with winter when she playfully touches her during drama performances. It might not be REAL flirting but it was definitely fan service flirting so I don't know what to tell you, you must be dense to think Karina wasn't flirting with her
"Saying how the seat she'll take when in a classroom will be next to winter."
You call that flirting in all seriousness...

"Saying winter is cute whenever she breathes, her literally saying she's flirting with winter when she playfully touches her during drama performances."

I'm sorry but is Karina forbidden to even interact with Winter or you'll start having ideas and call it fanservice? If Karina is gay/bisexual and Winter is her type maybe you could say that this is proof she's into her but... flirting? She also playfully touched the other members not just Winter and called Ningning cute several times. But anyways if you think that's flirting then whatever

Jesus Christ some of you are idiots. Have you ever been flirted with before? What do you think flirting is?it's not all "I want to fuck you" type shit. Some of the times it's more lighthearted. And what are you going to say about the time she literally said she's flirting with winter when she touches her in drama performances, you casually left that out. FANSERVICE. Thank you next.

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In the first vid she looks like a war veteran looking back at her life.
And these clothes are... nice.

I can't wait to see how she'll act if it's gonna be different or not
Same. I also want to see how she acts around winter, I get that they are probably naturally just touchy friends but some of it had to be fanservice, they were literally on eachother 24/7... And Karina was always flirting with her
Da no she wasn't, and Winter also participated in the very weak "flirting" they did. They just touched hands, did hearts with their fingers and other stuff that are what every close friends do. In comparison to Ryeji they're absolutely not gaybaiting or flirting at all.
Yeah no..sorry Karina was clearly flirting, fanservice flirting. Saying how the seat she'll take when in a classroom will be next to winter. Saying winter is cute whenever she breathes, her literally saying she's flirting with winter when she playfully touches her during drama performances. It might not be REAL flirting but it was definitely fan service flirting so I don't know what to tell you, you must be dense to think Karina wasn't flirting with her

"Saying how the seat she'll take when in a classroom will be next to winter."
You call that flirting in all seriousness...

"Saying winter is cute whenever she breathes, her literally saying she's flirting with winter when she playfully touches her during drama performances."

I'm sorry but is Karina forbidden to even interact with Winter or you'll start having ideas and call it fanservice? If Karina is gay/bisexual and Winter is her type maybe you could say that this is proof she's into her but... flirting? She also playfully touched the other members not just Winter and called Ningning cute several times. But anyways if you think that's flirting then whatever

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Can karina fans tell me how this woman apologized for dating? Is this on brand with her personality? Isn't the way she apologized borderline disrespectful to the boyfriend? It's like he matters less than fans delusions.
Idk karina gave more "confident" vibes and that letter was the opposite of that, pathetic even.

at the end of the day the business comes first. the apology was her apologising (or SM making her apologise) to what are essentially her moneymakers. karinas brand relies on maintaining a parasocial delusion/relationship with both her female and male fans. her dating news shattered that image. people diss them a lot but parasocial fans spend so much money on these idols, losing them would hurt both karina but SM especially.

if karina was marketed in the same way jennie/wonyoung/krystal are, untouchable, princessey & barely any queerbaity fanservice, she wouldn't have apologised or been made to.

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This is all such a trainwreck it doesn't make sense as to why SM allowed her image to be destroyed like this. Karina had such great potential for SM. At first I thought this was an attempt to rebrand Karina into the princess image but after the apology I don't think so...this all doesn't make sense to me

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In the first vid she looks like a war veteran looking back at her life.
And these clothes are... nice.

I can't wait to see how she'll act if it's gonna be different or not
Same. I also want to see how she acts around winter, I get that they are probably naturally just touchy friends but some of it had to be fanservice, they were literally on eachother 24/7... And Karina was always flirting with her
Da no she wasn't, and Winter also participated in the very weak "flirting" they did. They just touched hands, did hearts with their fingers and other stuff that are what every close friends do. In comparison to Ryeji they're absolutely not gaybaiting or flirting at all.

Yeah no..sorry Karina was clearly flirting, fanservice flirting. Saying how the seat she'll take when in a classroom will be next to winter. Saying winter is cute whenever she breathes, her literally saying she's flirting with winter when she playfully touches her during drama performances. It might not be REAL flirting but it was definitely fan service flirting so I don't know what to tell you, you must be dense to think Karina wasn't flirting with her

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Can karina fans tell me how this woman apologized for dating? Is this on brand with her personality? Isn't the way she apologized borderline disrespectful to the boyfriend? It's like he matters less than fans delusions.
Idk karina gave more "confident" vibes and that letter was the opposite of that, pathetic even.

at the end of the day the business comes first. the apology was her apologising (or SM making her apologise) to what are essentially her moneymakers. karinas brand relies on maintaining a parasocial delusion/relationship with both her female and male fans. her dating news shattered that image. people diss them a lot but parasocial fans spend so much money on these idols, losing them would hurt both karina but SM especially.

if karina was marketed in the same way jennie/wonyoung/krystal are, untouchable, princessey & barely any queerbaity fanservice, she wouldn't have apologised or been made to.

by **Guest** » 09 Mar 2024, 17:32

Can karina fans tell me how this woman apologized for dating? Is this on brand with her personality? Isn't the way she apologized borderline disrespectful to the boyfriend? It's like he matters less than fans delusions.
Idk karina gave more "confident" vibes and that letter was the opposite of that, pathetic even.

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In the first vid she looks like a war veteran looking back at her life.
And these clothes are... nice.

I can't wait to see how she'll act if it's gonna be different or not
Same. I also want to see how she acts around winter, I get that they are probably naturally just touchy friends but some of it had to be fanservice, they were literally on eachother 24/7... And Karina was always flirting with her

Da no she wasn't, and Winter also participated in the very weak "flirting" they did. They just touched hands, did hearts with their fingers and other stuff that are what every close friends do. In comparison to Ryeji they're absolutely not gaybaiting or flirting at all.

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In the first vid she looks like a war veteran looking back at her life.
And these clothes are... nice.

I can't wait to see how she'll act if it's gonna be different or not

Same. I also want to see how she acts around winter, I get that they are probably naturally just touchy friends but some of it had to be fanservice, they were literally on eachother 24/7... And Karina was always flirting with her

by **Guest** » 09 Mar 2024, 07:44

In the first vid she looks like a war veteran looking back at her life.
And these clothes are... nice.

I can't wait to see how she'll act if it's gonna be different or not

by **Guest** » 09 Mar 2024, 07:37

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Apparently Karina's apology made it to BBC News and The Zach Sang Show. Now that it's made its way to western media, Knetiz are saying how this is so embarrassing for the country, like it's not the same idiots who are against idols dating.

Girlie talked about wanting dye her hair blonde again on bubble even though before she said she'll never go back blonde (you know what they say about a girl who suddenly wants to get he hair dyed...she going through it)

Who's even surprised

by **Guest** » 09 Mar 2024, 02:00

Apparently Karina's apology made it to BBC News and The Zach Sang Show. Now that it's made its way to western media, Knetiz are saying how this is so embarrassing for the country, like it's not the same idiots who are against idols dating.

Girlie talked about wanting dye her hair blonde again on bubble even though before she said she'll never go back blonde (you know what they say about a girl who suddenly wants to get he hair dyed...she going through it)

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lmao

I'm not trying to be delulu but does anyone else find the timing of this announcement to be weird? They've only known each other for a month and now all of a sudden they are in love? Even though they both have really busy schedules right now, how the hell do you fall in love in a month of hardly spending time together, assuming best case scenario they spent every evening together for 30 days...it's still not enough. Both agencies were extremely quick to confirm it...like suspiciously quick. I don't trust anything dispatch or the agencies says ever since I've learned how dispatch works. They first go to the idol's agencies with the news and strike a deal with them, most of the times it's either the agencies pay them to shut up, or they give them another story in replacement, or they think the story is not a big deal and allows it to be exposed. I really doubt it's the latter because Karina dating someone is a big deal. Its very hard to believe that this was not a planned announcement, some people are saying this is a regular korean tactic, using idols to cover up their political situation but idk anything about what's happening in Korean politics so I won't speak to that. It doesn't make any sense to me as to why SM let dispatch expose this/didn't pay dispatch out on this story, Karina is one of the most desired female kpop idol right now amongst BOTH women and men, her fandom I'd say is majority wlw, exposing her dating life will only cause her to lose stans which means less money for SM. If they claimed they were in a relationship for years it would be more believable because at least they are in a steady relationship. but for something so new and fresh, this is a big risk to take since they could literally chose to end things tomorrow, if this happens what was the point of it all? They really would just lose a bunch of stans for no reason. To me they are covering up something way bigger or trying to distract the population from something. It literally doesn't make sense, and I'm not just saying that as a Karina stan. It's not like Karina needs more exposure to become more famous either, the girl's face is everywhere in Korea.
I have a conspiracy theorist mindset so I tend to doubt stuff, and of course I doubt this as well. Someone mentioned he has a kdrama airing tomorrow/today so maybe there's some arrangements going on there? Idk if kdramas are more profitable than a group as big as Aespa so why would they "sacrifice" karina over this... And it also reminds me of Jisoo's dating scandal that I believed initially until I saw people pointing out how weird it was.
I'm not into gossip much so I don't know how dispatch works or how it usually happens etc, but by logic I don't understand why companies would confirm a relationship if there is no proof (both have none), if the idol is seeing the guy for just a few weeks, and for Karina in terms of kpop culture it was better to pretend she was single, so why they got so quick to confirm it... And the SM message was an exact copy of the actor's company message, maybe pr people just copy pasted it, idk but could also be planned.

If it's planned it's on idols behalf, I don't think Karina was aware this was gonna drop, or aware just recently.
I have my doubts on the whole thing, I half believe half don't. But I'd say it's even more sus than Jisoo's that i already had huge doubts for.
Stop embarrassing yourself. Jisoo was dating that guy for way longer than people realised. Nothing weird about it. Karina is dating this dude.

Just admit the girls you wanted to be gay are straight. It's embarrassing to label them as if they are fictional characters.
Right cause you know jisoo and karina and the whole truth of the universe.

I know they both dated men. We have proof of that. But yes, you who they wouldn't even know if they stumbled over you know they are secretly gay. Of course!

I know you are just wishful thinking. Get a life of your own. It's always the straightest girls you claim.

by **Guest** » 06 Mar 2024, 05:15

Don't know why its so hard for some stans to believe that their bias can date anyone they want it's their life we cannot control it. They are idols and they are surrounded by attractive people most of the time of course they are gonna date whether its serious or not. We should get out of their onscreen act. Whatever they do in front of the fans is to satisfy them, make them happy.

For example there were times if an idol were asked if they have anyone they are dating and the idol had to reply they have their fans so they don't need anyone. Obviously its not true they are dating privately no one gonna die virgin because of fans but they got to reply this to make fans happy and make money. thats their professional life and dating is their personal life. Don't know stans cannot be just satisfied with their fav idols performance, singing ability or other talents and leave their personal life alone? Asian idols/actors must envy western celebs because they don't get hate for dating unless they are dating a criminal.

by **Guest** » 06 Mar 2024, 03:56

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actually I read a reddit post recently about how dispatch really works that makes WAY more sense than what the average kpop stan thinks how dispatch works.
TLDR; Everything that comes out from dispatch is planned. Dispatch and agencies work with each other, not against

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No source for the first part of his post. Tiffany suffered from her dating reveal. Jihyo too. I didn't think it'd hurt Karina much but now i'm thinking this will seriously damage her. Men may be advantaged by it (kang daniel not so much apparently), but Jennie suffered a lot because it. I believe they're ethical though, but they're still paparazzis, no source they "help" idols, it makes idols lose their male fans almost everytime.
theres no source for any of how dispatch works, it's all rumors. To me this makes more sense though.
SA,
Jennie did not suffer a lot from it LMAO what makes you think that? Of course all idols have parasocial fans that will unstan once they hear idols get into relationship but Jennie is a global star, even if these parasocial fans arent fans anymore that doesnt even come CLOSE to putting a dent into her fanbase. Cant say anything about Tiffany and Jihyo because I dont know the details well.

I meant suffer psychologically for jennie who received massive hate. No "Saint" like they call them in that idiotic no sourced post, will expose female idols to this hatred.
Since Jennie has a idgaf personality it's not as impactful to her, also blackpink's status and image doesn't make them suffer from dating. But an idol like Karina who truly does give a fuck and cares a lot and for who potentially money comes from obsessed incels, it can be damaging at all levels.

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im expecting a rebrand from karina. if SM is smart.

They'll have to, no one is going to buy her lesbian Jesus fanservice act anymore

by **Guest** » 05 Mar 2024, 21:12

im expecting a rebrand from karina. if SM is smart.

by **Guest** » 05 Mar 2024, 20:50

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actually I read a reddit post recently about how dispatch really works that makes WAY more sense than what the average kpop stan thinks how dispatch works.
TLDR; Everything that comes out from dispatch is planned. Dispatch and agencies work with each other, not against

Second post by johnnystation

No source for the first part of his post. Tiffany suffered from her dating reveal. Jihyo too. I didn't think it'd hurt Karina much but now i'm thinking this will seriously damage her. Men may be advantaged by it (kang daniel not so much apparently), but Jennie suffered a lot because it. I believe they're ethical though, but they're still paparazzis, no source they "help" idols, it makes idols lose their male fans almost everytime.
theres no source for any of how dispatch works, it's all rumors. To me this makes more sense though.

SA,
Jennie did not suffer a lot from it LMAO what makes you think that? Of course all idols have parasocial fans that will unstan once they hear idols get into relationship but Jennie is a global star, even if these parasocial fans arent fans anymore that doesnt even come CLOSE to putting a dent into her fanbase. Cant say anything about Tiffany and Jihyo because I dont know the details well.

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